FBI Raids Mar-a-lago

newfie

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Agreed. I think the history of executive privilege suggests that he does retain some but nowhere near as sweeping as when in office.
not what the supreme court ruled

n Nixon v. Administrator of General Services, the Supreme Court set forth the constitutional basis for the President's privileges for confidential communications: "Unless [the President] can give his advisers some assurance of confidentiality, a President could not expect to receive the full and frank submissions of facts and opinions upon which effective discharge of his duties depends." 433 U.S. at 448-49. The Court cited the precedent of the Constitutional Convention, the records of which were "sealed for more than 30 years after the Convention." Id. at 447 n.11. Based on those precedents and principles, the Court ruled that constitutionally based privileges available to a President "survive[] the individual President's tenure." Id. at 449. The Court also held that a former President, although no longer a Government official, may assert constitutionally based privileges with respect to his Administration's Presidential records, and expressly rejected the argument that "only an incumbent President can assert the privilege of the Presidency." Id. at 448.
 

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This has to REALLY sting for the MAGA Cullt: Fox News reports the Mar a Lago raid was justified.

Trump was the president and commander-in-chief up until noon on January 20, 2021. The moment Joe Biden took the Oath of Office, Trump became just another private citizen in his 70s who vacations in Florida during the winter months to avoid the bitter cold back in his native home in the Northeast. He was no longer shielded by any privileges or protections of the Office of the Presidency at the point beyond physical security protection. He is subject to the laws of the United States just like anyone else.

REINHART FORMALLY REJECTS DOJ ARGUMENT TO KEEP TRUMP AFFIDAVIT SEALED, CALLS RAID 'UNPRECEDENTED'

What also is true is that Trump had particular legal obligation as the former president to properly turn over presidential records to the National Archives and Records Administration. That is mandated by the Presidential Records Act because those records are the property of the United States. They are not Trump’s personal property.

In a competent White House, this process would have started within days of his election loss and would have been completed well in advance of his departure for Florida on January 20, 2021. It was not.

Trump spent his final two months desperately trying in the courts, and later through state legislatures and ultimately the January 6, 2021 rally, to reverse his election loss. Document archival was not high on his priority list.

buried into those boxes were countless properly marked classified documents. Those documents lacked any markings indicating that Trump had ever declassified them. No actual substantiated evidence indicates Mr. Trump ever declassified them. No one viewing those records would have any reason to view them as anything other than properly classified documents.
 

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@newfie You were told many times by people that knew more about the subject than yourself that procedures are followed to declassify Classified Documents. You chose to wrap yourself in ignorance and deny any such procedures ,but I think I may finally remove the scales from your eyes:
"buried into those boxes were countless properly marked classified documents. Those documents lacked any markings indicating that Trump had ever declassified them. No actual substantiated evidence indicates Mr. Trump ever declassified them. No one viewing those records would have any reason to view them as anything other than properly classified documents."

I DO hope you enjoy being educated as much as I enjoy educating you
 

newfie

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@newfie You were told many times by people that knew more about the subject than yourself that procedures are followed to declassify Classified Documents. You chose to wrap yourself in ignorance and deny any such procedures ,but I think I may finally remove the scales from your eyes:
"buried into those boxes were countless properly marked classified documents. Those documents lacked any markings indicating that Trump had ever declassified them. No actual substantiated evidence indicates Mr. Trump ever declassified them. No one viewing those records would have any reason to view them as anything other than properly classified documents."

I DO hope you enjoy being educated as much as I enjoy educating you
the president is the ultimate classifier and waits on no process . Its a shame you are incapable of learning anything
 

vantexan

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Most of the conservatives there always hated Trump.
O'Reilly was a personal friend. Hannity possibly his biggest supporter. Ingraham big supporter too. The ones who didn't like him have left. Chris Wallace. Shepherd Smith. Megyn Kelly. None of whom were particularly conservative.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
O'Reilly was a personal friend. Hannity possibly his biggest supporter. Ingraham big supporter too. The ones who didn't like him have left. Chris Wallace. Shepherd Smith. Megyn Kelly. None of whom were particularly conservative.
The ones that left were libs. Especially Smith and Wallace.
 

vantexan

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The ones that left were libs. Especially Smith and Wallace.
Chris Wallace used to ask very hard questions of Democrats on his Sunday show. Held the fire to everyone. So much so it surprised me when he said he was a registered Democrat. But he showed his true colors in the 2020 election.
 

newfie

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Chris Wallace used to ask very hard questions of Democrats on his Sunday show. Held the fire to everyone. So much so it surprised me when he said he was a registered Democrat. But he showed his true colors in the 2020 election.
the difference was Chris would let democrats ramble where he constantly interrupted republicans.
i can remember him going but.but .but whenever a republican tried to speak.

chris also protected biden during the debates.
 
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