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vantexan

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the difference was Chris would let democrats ramble where he constantly interrupted republicans.
i can remember him going but.but .but whenever a republican tried to speak.

chris also protected biden during the debates.
I watched him every Sunday for years. Saw him make a lot of Democrats squirm. He definitely protected Biden.
 

728ups

All Trash No Trailer
the president is the ultimate classifier and waits on no process . Its a shame you are incapable of learning anything
You should educate yourself on what the word "opinion" by the author's name means.

Stable genius lol.
I enjoyed the article very much also. It's good to see Fox news actually reporting the truth for once. I do enjoy educating the MAGA cult
 
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bbsam

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not what the supreme court ruled

n Nixon v. Administrator of General Services, the Supreme Court set forth the constitutional basis for the President's privileges for confidential communications: "Unless [the President] can give his advisers some assurance of confidentiality, a President could not expect to receive the full and frank submissions of facts and opinions upon which effective discharge of his duties depends." 433 U.S. at 448-49. The Court cited the precedent of the Constitutional Convention, the records of which were "sealed for more than 30 years after the Convention." Id. at 447 n.11. Based on those precedents and principles, the Court ruled that constitutionally based privileges available to a President "survive[] the individual President's tenure." Id. at 449. The Court also held that a former President, although no longer a Government official, may assert constitutionally based privileges with respect to his Administration's Presidential records, and expressly rejected the argument that "only an incumbent President can assert the privilege of the Presidency." Id. at 448.
Agreed. As a former president he can assert that privilege and that privilege can be denied as with a sitting president.

But the papers in question are not “…with respect to his Administration’s Presidential records…”.
 

newfie

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Agreed. As a former president he can assert that privilege and that privilege can be denied as with a sitting president.

But the papers in question are not “…with respect to his Administration’s Presidential records…”.
thats not what the case and ruling says. i answered your point that president loses those rights. the ruling shows he retains them

looks like we're back to denying that trump had the same presidential powers as every other president.
 
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bbsam

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thats not what the case and ruling says. i answered your point that president loses those rights. the ruling shows he retains them

looks like we're back to denying that trump had the same presidential powers as every other president.
Nixon tried to claim the Watergate tapes were his under executive privilege. What happened?

I can’t see Trump stealing state secrets being covered by executive privilege.
 

newfie

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Nixon tried to claim the Watergate tapes were his under executive privilege. What happened?

I can’t see Trump stealing state secrets being covered by executive privilege.
If trump tries to keep the watergate tapes I'll agree with you
Nixon also argued in the case presented that he had constitutional rights to his documents. The supreme court agreed and agreed that he did not lose those rights as an ex president.
since then every president and the archives have fought and argued over ownership.
Trump is the only president to be raided while he undergoes that process.
your cult keeps trying to defend glaring abuses of law and constitution.
the constitution is clear that former presidents do have certain rights that no one else has and the constitution does not list a trump exception in the wording.

again.

Based on those precedents and principles, the Court ruled that constitutionally based privileges available to a President "survive[] the individual President's tenure." Id. at 449. The Court also held that a former President, although no longer a Government official, may assert constitutionally based privileges with respect to his Administration's Presidential records, and expressly rejected the argument that "only an incumbent President can assert the privilege of the Presidency." Id. at 448.
 

vantexan

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If trump tries to keep the watergate tapes I'll agree with you
Nixon also argued in the case presented that he had constitutional rights to his documents. The supreme court agreed and agreed that he did not lose those rights as an ex president.
since then every president and the archives have fought and argued over ownership.
Trump is the only president to be raided while he undergoes that process.
your cult keeps trying to defend glaring abuses of law and constitution.
the constitution is clear that former presidents do have certain rights that no one else has and the constitution does not list a trump exception in the wording.

again.

Based on those precedents and principles, the Court ruled that constitutionally based privileges available to a President "survive[] the individual President's tenure." Id. at 449. The Court also held that a former President, although no longer a Government official, may assert constitutionally based privileges with respect to his Administration's Presidential records, and expressly rejected the argument that "only an incumbent President can assert the privilege of the Presidency." Id. at 448.
But, but, but......Trump!
 

Box Ox

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L’Etat c’est a moi.

You read yesterday's Washington Post column by David Ignatius, eh?

Opinion | The serious legal threat to President Trump in the Mar-a-Lago probe - The Washington Post

"This case reflects the central nightmare of the Trump post-presidency. He seems to believe, in the words of the French King Louis XIV, “L’etat, c’est moi,” meaning: “I am the state.” Trump’s stationery still bears the presidential seal. He still appears to covet the permanent power of a leader like China’s Xi Jinping, of whom he said in 2018: “He’s now president for life. … Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot someday.”
 
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