Figure your tax cut under Obama

[ZEB]

Bill Clintom gutted our Military to the point it was almost useless...........when you do that your gonna have a huge surplus of cash

 

[diesel96]

Yes, true about the republican lead congress during Clinton, who balked at the opportunity to take out Bin Laden as Clinton requested.




Bill Clinton said himself he was about to get bin laden but he balked at the one opportunity he had.

Once again, someone makes this assumption but it wasn't Clinton who balked, it was the republicans that were up in arms against taking out Bin Laden.

Bill Clinton's Chris Wallace Interview

Bill Clintom gutted our Military to the point it was almost useless...........when you do that your gonna have a huge surplus of cash

The weapons of Gulf War II—the weapons that allowed for a combination of precision, speed, and boldness the enemy did not expect and the world had not seen before, as GW Bush put it in his victory speech onboard the USS Abraham Lincoln—were developed and built during the presidency of Bill Clinton. President Bush, and their generals may have fashioned the war plan—but they executed it with inherited arsenals. Buy gutting the military, you mean firing Dick Cheney's Company contracts of selling $600 toliet seats to the Gov't.

 

[av8torntn]

Once again, someone makes this assumption but it wasn't Clinton who balked, it was the republicans that were up in arms against taking out Bin Laden.

Not according to Clinton. In this interview he admits he could have taken UBL but he balked.

Clinton Admits He Refused To Take Bin Laden

 

[av8torntn]

The weapons of Gulf War II—the weapons that allowed for a combination of precision, speed, and boldness the enemy did not expect and the world had not seen before, as GW Bush put it in his victory speech onboard the USS Abraham Lincoln—were developed and built during the presidency of Bill Clinton. .

You keep posting this and I really do wonder what weapons you are talking about. Could you please share.

 

[av8torntn]

Here is another point of view for you since I am sure that you cannot believe what Clinton says since he has been caught in so many lies now.

Clinton refused to kill bin Laden

 

[diesel96]

Not according to Clinton. In this interview he admits he could have taken UBL but he balked.


YouTube - Clinton Admits He Refused To Take Bin Laden

At that point in history, The American justice system would not of allowed us to prosecute him or assasinate him, I thought you were a man of the constitution.

You keep posting this and I really do wonder what weapons you are talking about. Could you please share.

The Joint Defense Attack Munition, or JDAM (aka GAMs GPS aided munitions....I believe), attached to a Global Positioning Satellite receiver, that can turn nearly any dumb bomb into a smart bomb.
An improvement over laser-guided smart bombs.

(UAV's)The Predator drone, an unmanned aerial vehicle
The gobal hawk drone, a longer range version of the predator drone.

Tactical Tomahawk, the GPS-guided version of the Tomahawk cruise missile

The Clinton years also saw the development of the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) missile defense system, a huge improvement over the primitive Patriot system that performed so poorly ...

 

[av8torntn]

At that point in history, The American justice system would not of allowed us to prosecute him or assasinate him, I thought you were a man of the constitution.

Well that is the debate. Clinton wanted to treat it as a law enforcement problem or react to things after they happen. Bush wants to treat it as a military problem and be more proactive. You support the law enforcement option and I support the military option. I believe the Constitution gives our Government the authority to wage war but not the authority to police the world. This is the main reason I disagree with you on this issue.



The Joint Defense Attack Munition, or JDAM (aka GAMs GPS aided munitions....I believe), attached to a Global Positioning Satellite receiver, that can turn nearly any dumb bomb into a smart bomb.
An improvement over laser-guided smart bombs.

(UAV's)The Predator drone, an unmanned aerial vehicle
The gobal hawk drone, a longer range version of the predator drone.

Tactical Tomahawk, the GPS-guided version of the Tomahawk cruise missile

The Clinton years also saw the development of the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) missile defense system, a huge improvement over the primitive Patriot system that performed so poorly ...

So your position is these four things turned the war in our favor. Not long ago you were faulting the strategy of not having enough troops on the ground when the size of the military was reduced during the Clinton regime.


Ok so here goes. I am not a wiki fan they get many things wrong but I think Clinton was president in 1993 and Jdam began in 1992 and that is what wiki says also.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JDAM

The patriot missle system worked pretty good for what it was designed for. It was to shoot down aircraft. It was adapted in the field during desert storm to shoot down missles. They started the original design in the 60's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot

The UAV's were started by the CIA and pentagon in the 80's. The first contract was awarded in 94. I am pretty sure you know it was not developed in one year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-1_Predator



I am not a navy guy so I know nothing about the tomahawk but it seems a little odd that you say it was developed while Clinton was president. It is also odd that you left out the new mlrs, the retrofit for missles on the predator, JSTaRS, SEP2, M240b, and the M4.

 

[tieguy]

At that point in history, The American justice system would not of allowed us to prosecute him or assasinate him, I thought you were a man of the constitution.

how does that work ? Does the president ask the justice system for an execution warrant to knock off Bin Laden? Or do we just send someone with no ties to the US to do the job? I believe the first hit on the world trade tower had taken place as well as several embassy bombings. Did Clinton need more to piss him off enough to do his job?

Perhaps bill was distracted by other things in the oval office.

 

[diesel96]

So your position is these four things turned the war in our favor. Not long ago you were faulting the strategy of not having enough troops on the ground when the size of the military was reduced during the Clinton regime.


Ok so here goes. I am not a wiki fan they get many things wrong but I think Clinton was president in 1993 and Jdam began in 1992 and that is what wiki says also.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JDAM

The patriot missle system worked pretty good for what it was designed for. It was to shoot down aircraft. It was adapted in the field during desert storm to shoot down missles. They started the original design in the 60's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot

The UAV's were started by the CIA and pentagon in the 80's. The first contract was awarded in 94. I am pretty sure you know it was not developed in one year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-1_Predator



I am not a navy guy so I know nothing about the tomahawk but it seems a little odd that you say it was developed while Clinton was president. It is also odd that you left out the new mlrs, the retrofit for missles on the predator, JSTaRS, SEP2, M240b, and the M4.

I think you know the Clinton Adm wanted a smaller, sleaker more high tech military figuring less ground troops because occupation wasn't an option.

At that point in history, The American justice system would not of allowed us to prosecute him or assasinate him, I thought you were a man of the constitution.

how does that work ? Does the president ask the justice system for an execution warrant to knock off Bin Laden? Or do we just send someone with no ties to the US to do the job? I believe the first hit on the world trade tower had taken place as well as several embassy bombings. Did Clinton need more to piss him off enough to do his job?

Perhaps bill was distracted by other things in the oval office.

Clinton had advisors surrounding him as all presidents do, he also had a Rep' Congress, CIA, FBI who supposedly balked, who do we believe ? I guess we'll never know.
"Perhaps bill was distracted by other things in the oval office"I believe you meant Oral office

 

[chev]

how is mccain going to pay for his programs?

If you look at the bottom line, mccain's tax cuts are overall
larger than Obama's but most benefit's to those at the top 1% with yearly incomes and above.

Obama's tax cut are overall smaller but benefiit those earning $100,000 and less per year.

What group are you in?

If you earn less than $100,000 per year why would you support mccain's plan to benefit the 1% at the top?

Because taxing the so called "rich", which includes most employers, has a negative effect on the unemployment rate in this country. Tax the crap out of them and watch the jobs start disappearing and businesses go under. It undercuts the American dream to prosper. It starts the slippery slope to Socialism.
What we really should do is get rid of the burden known as "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" in this county. Why should any of us pay for them to break our laws to live here and suck off the Government tit. What right do they have to cause any U.S citizen, rich or poor, to pay higher taxes to give them a handout. I say Bull !

 

[JimJimmyJames]

Obama is a classic liberal Democrat. He will tax and spend, no doubt in my mind. The problem is, so will the Republicans. They are not conservative anymore. Bush was right to cut taxes. Problem was, he did not cut spending. He was not conservative!

I know the arguement is raised that 9/11 forced Bush's hand to deficit spend. That a failing economy as a result of the "tech bubble" exploding forced him to also. But did 9/11 have to result in two wars that are bleeding us dry with no end in sight? Did the tech bubble have to lead to the Fed lowering interest rates to the point it gave us the "housing bubble"?

I know this is an immense simplification of the situation on my part, but books can, and are, being written of how the Republicans have lost their way. They are infected by a Neo-Con philosophy that is, dare I say, Marxist in it's world outlook of global hegemony and socialist when it comes to it's increasing collusion of big business and big government.

I despised Clinton. But damn, it takes a hell of a screw up like Bush proved himself to be to make most people I know long for the days Clinton was President. Democrats are liberals. But my beloved Republicans are liars and that must be worse.

If only Ron Paul was the Republican candidate. One can dream....

 

[mthbstr8]

You're forgetting one important thing, Obama's name sounds really good.

Have I shared this with you guys?
Obama, Bama
Bo, Be Bama
Banana, Fanna, Foe, Fabama
Fee, Fie, Moe, Mebama
Gobama
Obama

And it makes a great chant:
GoBama!
GoBama!

; )