Gay marriage ban struck down in california

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid

I am a member of the NRA, but I also refuse to be a one-issue, party-line voter.

I am also smart enough to see Romney for the hypocrite that he is when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, he was the governor of a state (Mass.) that is virulently hostile to the rights of gun owners. He publicly stated one one occasion that he "doesnt vote with the NRA". He also supported the so-called Assault Weapons Ban. Romney is no more of an ally to gun owners than Obama is, he is just less honest about it.

Obama is, by many orders of magnitude, the lesser of two evils in this election. I have a sister who is gay and it is my hope that someday she will have marriage rights equal to my own. That will not happen under a Romney administration.

As far as my gun rights go, Obama isnt going to "take my guns away". First of all, the right to keep and bear arms is enumerated in the state constitution of Oregon as well as that of the United States. The Supreme Court has recently upheld that right. Obama lacks the authority to "take my guns away" even if he had the desire to do so, which he does not.

As a gun owner, I have no good choices in the upcoming election. As the brother of a gay woman, I do.
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
What evidence did La Pierre offer to support his claim that a 1st term conspiracy was there which would equal a 2nd term gun grab? IMO, Obama was for the most part silent on guns and I see nothing at this time that he will do anything different should he get a 2nd term. Whoever gets elected will have far, far bigger fish to fry than taking away Billy Bob's gun collection. Spending political leverage for those ends would be politically stupid.

As for SCOTUS, the odds of 2 justices coming on board and overtuning a sitting court who recently ruled in favor of gun owners is not only highly unlikely but all but absurd at this time. Scare mongering at it's best IMO by La Pierre in the hopes of whipping up gun owner frenzy mostly for the republican cause.

Lapierre is simply borrowing a page from the playbook of New York mayor Bloomberg and the hand-wringers and gun-phobics at the Brady Foundation and the Violence Policy Center. Its called fighting fire with fire.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
... I also refuse to be a one-issue, party-line voter.


As a gun owner, I have no good choices in the upcoming election. As the brother of a gay woman, I do.

These seem to contradict one-another.

I hope your sister attains the same legal rights as you too!
Such a stupid stance by the Republicans.
The only hope the Democrats have is for the stupid-assed Republicans to make social issues part of the party line.

Disclaimer: I am a Libertarian
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
Not gonna happen.

Via Washington Times:
The Coalition of African American Pastors has demanded a meeting with President Obama to try to change his mind on his personal embrace of same-sex marriage.

The pastors fired off a letter this week to Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. asking him to set up the meeting with the president, and painted their quest as a civil rights cause.

“I can promise you personally, as an organizer of the civil rights movement in Nashville, I did not march one inch, one foot, one yard for same-sex marriage,” said Rev. William “Bill” Owens Sr., founder of the coalition and organizer of the letter.

Pollsters have wondered how Mr. Obama’s decision to embrace same-sex marriage would play with various segments of voters, and in particular with black church-going Christians, who generally tell pollsters they support the president but many of whom are also opposed to gay marriage.

“Some things are bigger than the next election,” the pastors said in their letter.

Bill Owens Sr is a bigot and a hypocrite.

These black pastors who marched against discrimination during the civil rights movement are no better than the bigots they were protesting.

They need to ask themselves..."what did Jesus say about gay people?" The answer to that question...is "nothing."

How quickly (and conveniently) they forget that the Bible that they use as justification for their opposition to gay marriage is the same Bible that has been used for generations to "justify" sexism, racism, discrimination and slavery.

It doesnt take a scholar to find something in Leviticus or Deutoronomy that will justify one's human prejudices against women, or gay people, or black people. It only takes hypocrite.

These pastors are a disgrace to the cause they purport to represent.
 

bbsam

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In defense of the pastors: sometimes (most times) when I go to church, I feel like a hypocrite and that is when I know I am home. Me and the rest of the hypocrites sometimes take a while to see ourselves as the Pharisees even though it is clear that Christ's loving words to us a not sugar-coated or pleasant. Of course, nothing has driven this truth home for me with more clarity than fathering my own children.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Bill Owens Sr is a bigot and a hypocrite.

These black pastors who marched against discrimination during the civil rights movement are no better than the bigots they were protesting.

They need to ask themselves..."what did Jesus say about gay people?" The answer to that question...is "nothing."

How quickly (and conveniently) they forget that the Bible that they use as justification for their opposition to gay marriage is the same Bible that has been used for generations to "justify" sexism, racism, discrimination and slavery.

It doesnt take a scholar to find something in Leviticus or Deutoronomy that will justify one's human prejudices against women, or gay people, or black people. It only takes hypocrite.

These pastors are a disgrace to the cause they purport to represent.

Why is it some christians will take Leviticus 18 and 22, cherry pick one verse from it's midst as an absolute and yet completely ignore the rest of the chapters and what they demand? Sober, if you've not read all of Leviticus 18 and 22, it's worth your time to do so in dealing with those absolutists who want to hold to the letter of the law for their own self serving homophobia.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Re: Gay marriage

(The Christian Post) — Coalition of African American Pastors demanded on Monday that President Obama meet with the group to address his stance on same-sex marriage. So far, the White House has refused to acknowledge the group’s request but leaders say they plan to “turn up the heat” by asking black Christians to sit on the sidelines for the time being.

“We have requested a meeting with President Obama and until he meets with us, we are going to ask black Christians to withhold their support until he personally hears our concerns,” the group’s spokesperson, the Rev. Bill Owens, told The Christian Post on Tuesday after Monday’s press conference in Nashville.

“More than anything, this is an issue of biblical principles and President Obama is carrying our nation down a dangerous road. Many African Americans were once proud of our president but now many are ashamed of his actions.”

Owens said the group hasn’t received a response from the White House and they are growing frustrated with each passing day.

“We can’t compete with the Hollywood folks who are raising the big bucks for the president,” Owens said. “But it was black folks who rallied around him in 2008 and for him to ignore our request with a group of clergy who represents tens of thousands of black Christians of many denominations is an insult.”. . .

The press conference took place just miles from the convention site of the African Methodist Episcopal Church General Conference in Nashville where First Lady Michelle Obama told the group last week that their participation in this year’s election was critical for an Obama second term.

“So I want you to talk to your friends and your family, your neighbors,” the First Lady told the conference attendees. “Talk to them. Talk to folks in the beauty salons, the barber shops, the parking lot at church. Tell them what’s happening on the city council and out in Washington. Let them know. Find that nephew who has never voted — get him registered.”

And Owens agrees. But until President Obama agrees to meet with the pastors to hear their concerns, he is asking them to withhold their support.
 

The Other Side

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He should be worried about losing the affluent black vote.

This is the "spin" of the white right wing, as if this concept was possible. The black population isnt a bunch of homophobes like the right wing. In every population, you will have your religious folks who will reject homosexuality, and if we use YOUR argument, all white homosexuals would then vote for OBAMA.

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The Other Side

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Re: Gay marriage

Well, boys, you can't be scouts but you can marry each other!!

After review, Boy Scouts reaffirm ban on gays | Fox News

Another LAME example set by right wing kooks. EXCLUSION is the name of the game for the right wing. Teacher kids to "HIDE" who they are inside in order to please others.

"HEY KIDS, we are going to teach you to be like KARL ROVE".... just pretend to be straight.

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soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
This is the "spin" of the white right wing, as if this concept was possible. The black population isnt a bunch of homophobes like the right wing. In every population, you will have your religious folks who will reject homosexuality, and if we use YOUR argument, all white homosexuals would then vote for OBAMA.

Peace

TOS


My hunch is that about 99% of white homosexuals will vote for Obama. What alternative do they have? Romney is on record stating that homosexuals are second-class citizens that should be denied the right to marry. Thats discrimination, and it doesnt get much more blatant than that.
 

The Other Side

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My hunch is that about 99% of white homosexuals will vote for Obama. What alternative do they have? Romney is on record stating that homosexuals are second-class citizens that should be denied the right to marry. Thats discrimination, and it doesnt get much more blatant than that.

What about the LOG CABIN WHITE REPUBLICANS?

Peace

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