They did say he had fentanyl in his system. I've always maintained from what little I know that the cop took it too far. When Floyd passed out the cop kept kneeling on him. But again, the whole kneeling thing is something that cops in that dept are trained to do. The cop didn't set out to murder Floyd. But he should have never taken it that far. And Floyd should've complied with lawful orders. To put it entirely on the cop says to me you hate cops. And a quick Google search shows from CNN that heart disease and fentanyl contributed to Floyd's death, but weren't the main cause.
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DriveInDriѵeOut
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It's very common for these junkies to wake up and hurt people during their overdose episodes.
floridays
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They didn't, it was certainly intententional holding him in the position he was held in.
Those jackasses understand vitals, don't believe me, wait till a brother in blue progresses to the point they restrained Floyd.
Don't think I'm condoning Floyd's actions, don't think I'll support the actions of the police involved.
Nothing good came out of this.
I'm very conflicted concerning this interaction.
floridays
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You seem to take into account all the known facts. I salute you for that.
newolddude
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Maybe Floyd could have survived 11 or 12 minutes of getting choked if he wasn’t a drug doer.
floridays
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What do you base this on, your bias?
Vital signals are just that, whether drug induced or someone being subdued to the point to which they could not return.
Serve and protect, that is the motto of most police agencies. They did both, they just got carried away for whatever reason in such they became criminal defendants when they ceased serving and protecting and became judge and jury.
floridays
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Being a drug doer wasn't why the police were called.
They arrived on scene on a call of an individual passing a counterfeit note. That is not a state crime, it is a Federal crime. They lacked jurisdiction.
DriveInDriѵeOut
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He wasn't choked.
In fact, he cried like a little bitch the whole time. You need to be able to breathe to do that. Use your brain.
zubenelgenubi
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If Chauvin hadn't restrained him, and Floyd hurt someone, he would have been blamed for that too. That's why cops aren't willing to stick their necks out. They're in a lose-lose situation.
zubenelgenubi
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Didn't need to. He took it himself. His dealer should be in prison. Not the cop who had the duty to prevent Floyd from hurting bystanders.
zubenelgenubi
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The one instance where a prone restraint actually killed someone was when a prisoner was attempting to kill himself and something like 8 cops dog piled on top of him. The 8th circuit court of appeals found they didn't do anything wrong.
I've experienced much worse while wrestling in highschool. The outcome of Chauvin's trial will, and has, led to many more deaths of actually innocent people.
He was handcuffed and on his stomach though. I can't see the need to continue kneeling on him once he passed out. Seems they should've been looking to give him medical aid once he started saying he couldn't breathe. I've been at the bottom of a pile in a football game. If it had gone much longer I would've been in trouble. At any rate things would've turned out very differently for the cops if they had handled it differently. And I'm certain they all wished they had.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
People don't breath through their upper backs. If he was face up and a knee was on his actual larynx, you might have a point. I realize the anatomy and physiology isn't a string suit with people of your political leanings, so I can understand why you don't know how breathing works.
floridays
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He was restrained move from there.
I mentioned vitals, don't dodge the facts of that day.
floridays
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Vital signs aren't just breathing, it's my guess you would know when the life of a person beneath you is expiring.
Let's not be stupid in trying to give a defense for the indefensible.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
You know what other crime is committed when you try to pass fake bills for goods and services? Theft. They had jurisdiction.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
What fact? The fact that he took a lethal dose of fentanyl? No dodging here.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
Only one problem with that theory, he wasn't pronounced dead until an hour after he was taken away by ambulance. That's quite a bit of time for doctors to not be sure he was dead. But I guess s cop who has used the restraint dozens of times without incident should probably know better than doctors.
floridays
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No, its passing counterfeit bills. That was what the call was for, not theft. If the salesperson suspected the bill (20) was fake you don't take it and refuse the sale. If the purchaser leaves with the item (cigarettes in this case) then you have a shoplifting or theft of goods call to make. Passing conterfeit money is a federal crime, the FBI has jurisdiction.
floridays
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Vital Signs: How to Check My Vitals at Home
You can check your body temperature, blood pressure, pulse and respiratory rate at home by following your healthcare provider’s instructions.
my.clevelandclinic.org
At least three of these signs could and should have been easily ascertained on scene, not to a clinical certainty but to the extent they knew the subdued need medical intervention.
The death and facts show that the police did not move in a ethical or moral manner and it was proven in a court of law that the officers acted outside of procedure.
