George Floyd

newolddude

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Good question. What's your opinion? I think he was already arrested but refused to comply with lawful orders. Thus the knee on the back. How can you put everything completely on Chauvin? I'm betting that's a technique no longer used though. It's sad that it came to that but how many suspects over the years ended up dead because they refused to comply with lawful orders? As I've already said I'm certain those cops wished they had handled that situation differently.
I don't know. I'm a dumb liberal so you tell me.

How many times can I say it, yes Floyd should have complied with lawful orders and I do not assign full fault to Chauvin. But struggling while on the ground also doesn't give Chauvin free reign to do what he wants to.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

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Doesn't matter what you or I think though. It matters what a jury thinks after both sides present their arguments.
You mean the jury that lived in a city ravaged by BLM riots? The jury that wasn't sequestered during the trial? The jury that had to drive through protests everyday to get to the courthouse? That jury?

A juror did an interview after the trial and admitted they were afraid of what would happen to the city if they didn't convict. Show trial.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
If he and the others had stopped and given first aid then it could have been argued that the knee on the back restraint was standard department policy to subdue uncooperative suspects.
They're not doctors. They knew how long it would take for paramedics to get there and administer proper care. But guess what.... the ambulance went to the wrong address.

So many people condemn the cop and have no idea what they're even talking about. Just parrot stupid media talking points.
 

vantexan

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You mean the jury that lived in a city ravaged by BLM riots? The jury that wasn't sequestered during the trial? The jury that had to drive through protests everyday to get to the courthouse? That jury?

A juror did an interview after the trial and admitted they were afraid of what would happen to the city if they didn't convict. Show trial.
That's the system we have. Didn't one of the jurors admit they were a BLM activist after the trial? Certainly Chauvin's lawyers are working on an appeal. But it does seem to me we have two camps here. Either Floyd was completely responsible for his own death or the cops were.
 

vantexan

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I don't know. I'm a dumb liberal so you tell me.

How many times can I say it, yes Floyd should have complied with lawful orders and I do not assign full fault to Chauvin. But struggling while on the ground also doesn't give Chauvin free reign to do what he wants to.
How many times must I agree that Chauvin took it too far? Seems to me if you keep bringing up the cops' culpability over and over you really only see them as responsible, not Floyd. Dishonest discourse.
 
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DriveInDriѵeOut

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That's the system we have.
We have sequestering for a reason.
We have move of venue for a reason.
They didn't do those things for a reason.
Show trial.
Didn't one of the jurors admit they were a BLM activist after the trial?
Yes.
Certainly Chauvin's lawyers are working on an appeal.
No, the federal government came after him for stupid hate crime nonsense, even though the prosecution in the trial made ZERO claims of racism.

He plead, because you can't win when the fascist Democrats are in power and decide to come after you.
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
I don't know. I'm a dumb liberal so you tell me.

How many times can I say it, yes Floyd should have complied with lawful orders and I do not assign full fault to Chauvin. But struggling while on the ground also doesn't give Chauvin free reign to do what he wants to.
So did Chauvin intentionally or negligently contribute to Floyd’s death in your opinion?
 

vantexan

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They're not doctors. They knew how long it would take for paramedics to get there and administer proper care. But guess what.... the ambulance went to the wrong address.

So many people condemn the cop and have no idea what they're even talking about. Just parrot stupid media talking points.
I think Chauvin had every right to do what his department trained him to do. He just went too far. There is such a thing as depraved indifference. Cops are trained in first aid and it seems to me if a suspect you have your knee on has passed out and is releasing urine you might want to take the knee off and check his vital signs. I still think all those people screaming at the cops contributed to Chauvin continuing to keep the knee on. He wasn't going to let civilians tell him what to do imo. And he paid for it.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

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So don't question the police?

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Do you think about men sucking dick often?
 

vantexan

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We have sequestering for a reason.
We have move of venue for a reason.
They didn't do those things for a reason.
Show trial.

Yes.

No, the federal government came after him for stupid hate crime nonsense, even though the prosecution in the trial made ZERO claims of racism.

He plead, because you can't win when the fascist Democrats are in power and decide to come after you.
And I agree up to a point. It's the same for cops as it is for suspects. If you don't want to be criminally prosecuted make sure everything you do is with department policy and never, ever let your emotions get in the way.
 
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vantexan

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This is not a binary decision even if you demand it.
If you say so. But you keep demanding that we convict the cops here. Doesn't appear you truly believe both sides were culpable. Out of curiosity, how do you feel about all the D.A.'s around the country who are refusing to prosecute suspects for various crimes? With crime spiking in their districts because of it? By the way, saw the other day those districts add up to about 70 million people so close to one in five Americans are negatively impacted.
 
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vantexan

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That doesn't make any sense buddy.
He followed policy, was calm throughout the entire thing, and he was convicted of murder.
Taking it too far isn't following policy. Do you think when he was trained in using that technique they didn't tell him to monitor the suspect closely for any negative health reaction? And it's my opinion only, but I think he took it too far because of everyone yelling at him to get off. He was showing who was the boss. Something I do think quite a few cops would have done. I do believe cops have a very difficult job but I think a lot of people have met cops with bad attitudes.
 
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