DriveInDriveOut
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He is no longer a libertarian. He is a Republican. Try to keep up.
Global warming
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av8torntn
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So you don't like them because they are republicans who support a libertarian think tank that you think is conservative and whose positions you haven't even been able to debate? That's a home run against a bitter leftist.
DriveInDriveOut
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Are you just incapable of following the conversation? Or are you trying to deflect and derail by calling me bitter and leftist, of which I am neither.
You dismiss the idea that David Koch, a former libertarian and current republican, is a "shill" for the GOP. I think Ed Crane, one of the founders of the organization you're defending, has more knowledge of the direction the Kochs have taken Cato than you do:
"the move by the Kochs was an attempt to turn Cato into "some sort of auxiliary for the G.O.P.... It's detrimental to Cato, it's detrimental to Koch Industries, it's detrimental to the libertarian movement."
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av8torntn
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And that lawsuit did not go to court correct? Ed Crain had to step down from the organization correct?
So while you can only cry and whine about Cato I'm left to guess that you either cannot or you are incapable of addressing any of their positions.
Cute how you accuse me of deflecting be from the issue when you are whining about Cato. And funny.
av8torntn
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"After the Kochs filed suit, Cato President Ed Crane issued a statement saying, “While (Charles) Koch and entities controlled by him have supported the Cato Institute financially since that time, Mr. Koch and his affiliates have exercised no significant influence over the direction or management of the Cato Institute, or the work done here.”-Ed Crane
DriveInDriveOut
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Exactly. The one remaining libertarian founder squared off with the republican Koch brothers, and lost.
It goes back to my original point which we discussed here:
On their website they claim to be a libertarian think tank. Maybe those sneaky libertarians co opted the conservatives.
I'm not whining about Cato. You have presented no positions for me to address.
What I find funny is republicans like you who think they're libertarian.
av8torntn
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I've posted multiple times on this site that I am not libertarian. Of course it is not surprising that you do not know what you are posting about.
av8torntn
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DriveInDriveOut
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Sometimes when people are backed into a corner, they say what they really mean.
I think that's exactly what Crane did during the legal battle when he said the Kochs were trying to use Cato as an auxiliary for the GOP.
He can back away from those comments after the fact if he wants to, but he can't take back what he said.
av8torntn
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DriveInDriveOut
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You are so stubborn.
If you want to use his own words, here you go, educate yourself:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2...onaire_oil_guys_cato_s_president_speaks_.html
av8torntn
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First, it was your I distance to use his words.
Second, your link is to an article explaining how the Koch faction at Cato was in the minority.
So in summary you said use the words of Ed Crane and I quoted him from the time of the lawsuit saying Koch didn't control Cato and then you say we should use an article from slate that says Koch never had enough people on the board affiliated with him to control Cato.
Let me hit you with it again since you haven't been able to comprehend it yet.
“While (Charles) Koch and entities controlled by him have supported the Cato Institute financially since that time, Mr. Koch and his affiliates have exercised no significant influence over the direction or management of the Cato Institute, or the work done here.”-Ed Crane
Your blog interview confirms this quote.
DriveInDriveOut
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I suggest you take your own advice.
av8torntn
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So you want me to create some issue with Cato so I can start a thread for you to whine in? Really? You can't be that lazy can you?
DriveInDriveOut
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You were talking about CATO before I joined the discussion, then you want to tell me I'm hi-jacking the thread?
Get over yourself.
av8torntn
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I responded to another leftists claim that Cato was a conservative organization. You have now spent two pages whining about Cato and trying to fabricate some type of secretive Koch brothers control that has never existed according to all the people that you've said would know. It is so predictable.
Again, I suggest instead of high jacking a global warming thread to whine about Cato you just start one of your own.
Just start your own thread about it and stop trying to high jack this one.
DriveInDriveOut
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This coming from the guy who started the line of discussion, and continues to go on and on about it.
Let's see how long you can keep this up. I'm actually kind of enjoying it now lol.
