Government run "anything"......

rickyb

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BS.
And you know it.

I didn't say you couldn't be middle class.

I said you couldn't be an ignorant dweeb living in your parent's basement taking on absolutely no responsibility throughout the entirety of your life and expect other people who actually HAVE had to shoulder some of the responsibilities of this world to take your mindless chatter with any seriousness at all.
thats this part of what i said: "or you have to spend all your money on rent to protest. you cant be middle class and live at home with your parents to save money and protest."

its bad logic and you are discounting the experience of millions of americans who live at home because they cant afford housing prices.
 

rickyb

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If there was a better system it would have been tried somewhere. Capitalism works. We just stop having to be envious of those who do better under it. And those who do better have to be more generous. Otherwise the idiocy that goes on in our streets will continue until they get the upper hand and bring the whole system down. People who struggle could care less that capitalism works best and are much more likely to believe another system is worth trying.
the better systems have been tried and exist along side capitalism...just like capitalism existed alongside feudalism and slavery.

poor people would say capitalism doesnt work.
 

vantexan

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the better systems have been tried and exist along side capitalism...just like capitalism existed alongside feudalism and slavery.

poor people would say capitalism doesnt work.
What countries are practicing this better system or systems? Name those systems.
 

vantexan

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i just did. germany, italy, spain. do you have dementia worse than joe biden?
They are all capitalist countries. And Spain and Italy are both having serious economic problems because of going too far with social programs. We could learn some things from Germany, but there are reasons why the U.S. is stronger economically.
 

rickyb

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They are all capitalist countries. And Spain and Italy are both having serious economic problems because of going too far with social programs. We could learn some things from Germany, but there are reasons why the U.S. is stronger economically.
they are mixed economies like america and they have different systems working along side capitalism some which work better.
 

vantexan

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exactly and you saw it and you forgot worse or as bad or not as bad as joe biden
You said you mentioned three countries but only mentioned one. You losing it too? And none of those countries can be held up as overall better economically than the U.S. but I'd be willing to try some of what they do if it makes labor's life better. But it has to be sustainable, can't cause things to fall apart. Exactly what happened in Greece, and Spain, Portugal, and Italy, France too, are teetering on the brink.
 

vantexan

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they are mixed economies like america and they have different systems working along side capitalism some which work better.
No, they don't. They are capitalist countries that do a few things differently than we do. There is no different system that's co-equals with capitalism.
 

rickyb

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You said you mentioned three countries but only mentioned one. You losing it too? And none of those countries can be held up as overall better economically than the U.S. but I'd be willing to try some of what they do if it makes labor's life better. But it has to be sustainable, can't cause things to fall apart. Exactly what happened in Greece, and Spain, Portugal, and Italy, France too, are teetering on the brink.
the original question if you forgot like joe biden was do competing economic systems exist together. and i said yes where what im talking about is most prominent. even in america you have capitalism, government intervention, slavery in florida fruit fields, slavery in jails, and neo feudalism which is what our middle class is devolving into.
 

rickyb

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No, they don't. They are capitalist countries that do a few things differently than we do. There is no different system that's co-equals with capitalism.
me and richard wolff usually like to blame capitalism and describe america as capitalist but its a mixed economy really, mostly govt intervention and capitalism.
 

vantexan

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the original question if you forgot like joe biden was do competing economic systems exist together. and i said yes where what im talking about is most prominent. even in america you have capitalism, government intervention, slavery in florida fruit fields, slavery in jails, and neo feudalism which is what our middle class is devolving into.
The Canadian middle class is devolving into neo feudalism? Good to know. There have been cases of poor share croppers being forced into a kind of slavery. Was that allowed to continue? No, when it was found out people were arrested. 330 million people Ricky. You can't point to a few cases and say that's the way it is. And governments intervene to protect investments and jobs. Sometimes it may not be warranted but when things are really serious it's about keeping economies from collapsing. To avoid instability and impoverishment. Always interesting when people who support strong central government to run everything lash out at governments who assist business during trying times. Why do you do that? Because you want everything to collapse so that people like you can try to step in and gain complete control. So save your crocodile tears about government intervention.
 

rickyb

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The Canadian middle class is devolving into neo feudalism? Good to know. There have been cases of poor share croppers being forced into a kind of slavery. Was that allowed to continue? No, when it was found out people were arrested. 330 million people Ricky. You can't point to a few cases and say that's the way it is. And governments intervene to protect investments and jobs. Sometimes it may not be warranted but when things are really serious it's about keeping economies from collapsing. To avoid instability and impoverishment. Always interesting when people who support strong central government to run everything lash out at governments who assist business during trying times. Why do you do that? Because you want everything to collapse so that people like you can try to step in and gain complete control. So save your crocodile tears about government intervention.
as far as govt intervention is concerned im not sure if its mostly to protect the rich or average joes.

when things are serious like now and 2008 hte govt overwhelmingly has been helping the rich and letting main street get foreclosed on or fend for themselves.
 

vantexan

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as far as govt intervention is concerned im not sure if its mostly to protect the rich or average joes.

when things are serious like now and 2008 hte govt overwhelmingly has been helping the rich and letting main street get foreclosed on or fend for themselves.
We recovered nicely from 2008 when a businessman, a damn capitalist, won the presidency in 2016.
 

rickyb

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i think paris which is run by socialists and green party has free public transit for those over 65 and those under 18. what a way to incentivize sustainable efficient transportation.
 

rickyb

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u shouldve voted this guy:

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