HOFFA , HALL AND OBRIEN campaign announcement

[wide load]

First of all, we are not farmers----we do not work in "barns".

Second, we are the industry leaders in total compensation, which includes wages, benefits and pensions.

Third, changes to our healthcare simply mean that we need to be smarter when it comes to our medical choices. Where in the past we may have gone to the ER with the sniffles, a $100 co-pay may make us think twice and wait until the following morning to go to our regular doctor, which only has a $10 co-pay. Where in the past we may have had a zero or very low Rx co-pay, we now need to look at our options more closely. Mail order may now be the most cost-efficient option, especially for maintenance meds.

Fourth, it was obvious from Day One that UPS wanted out of the healthcare business and that the Union wanted to take it over. The Locals that held out hoping to keep their healthcare knew that this was simply not an option and the IBT stepped in and did the right thing for the majority of the members.

Fifth, contracts are the result of give and take negotiations with neither side getting everything that they wanted.

I agree with you 100%

 

[wide load]

When I said barns I mean within our local. Construction for instance got 0 in raises for 3 years. They aren't the only ones.

 

[anHOURover]

I don't believe you for one second. You just have zero comparison. Did you get a raise? Did you get your medical covered? Did you get protective rights? Did you get an improved retirement? Some barns got ZERO across the board. Trust me when I tell you, thank your luck stars your working under this contract.

Over 80% votes no both times and it was pushed through... That makes a local full of angry rank and file teamsters... What is there not to believe me ?? The concession Stand is almost out of business!!
It's been down hill since the pig with the famous name took over!!

 

[anHOURover]

First of all, we are not farmers----we do not work in "barns".

Second, we are the industry leaders in total compensation, which includes wages, benefits and pensions.

Third, changes to our healthcare simply mean that we need to be smarter when it comes to our medical choices. Where in the past we may have gone to the ER with the sniffles, a $100 co-pay may make us think twice and wait until the following morning to go to our regular doctor, which only has a $10 co-pay. Where in the past we may have had a zero or very low Rx co-pay, we now need to look at our options more closely. Mail order may now be the most cost-efficient option, especially for maintenance meds.

Fourth, it was obvious from Day One that UPS wanted out of the healthcare business and that the Union wanted to take it over. The Locals that held out hoping to keep their healthcare knew that this was simply not an option and the IBT stepped in and did the right thing for the majority of the members.

Fifth, contracts are the result of give and take negotiations with neither side getting everything that they wanted.

Upstate you have SOME valid points. You are correct that people should not be abusing the ER and the coverage!
There is no reason for a 1 punch a week though.... That is unheard of! I can go on if you'd like!! The point is we got nothing in return for trading in the new Cadillac for a used Ford Taurus !!

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Over 80% votes no both times and it was pushed through... That makes a local full of angry rank and file teamsters... What is there not to believe me ?? The concession Stand is almost out of business!!
It's been down hill since the pig with the famous name took over!!

Amen Brother.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Upstate you have SOME valid points. You are correct that people should not be abusing the ER and the coverage!
There is no reason for a 1 punch a week though.... That is unheard of! I can go on if you'd like!! The point is we got nothing in return for trading in the new Cadillac for a used Ford Taurus !!

I agree-----the 1 punch per week rule is ridiculous.

The minimum requirement should be much higher than that.

When I was a casual back in 1989 we had to work 36 days in a quarter to get benefits for the following quarter. Each quarter is 13 weeks so we had to work at least 3 days per week to be covered.

1 punch per week is way too low.

 

[10 point]

I agree-----the 1 punch per week rule is ridiculous.

The minimum requirement should be much higher than that.

When I was a casual back in 1989 we had to work 36 days in a quarter to get benefits for the following quarter. Each quarter is 13 weeks so we had to work at least 3 days per week to be covered.

1 punch per week is way too low.

A casual what?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

A casual what?

Driver.

 

[10 point]

Way too low?

The NMA passed the first time because two regions that voted on OUR healthcare weren't subjected to it. Let's not gloat that the few locals were just "renegades".

The once a week punch was NOT disclosed to us. The plan does not "mirror" our old plan as lied to...I mean ...as we were told before by our leadership.

Is it a bad plan? No. It's better than some locals had before but looking back, it was a poor sales job including missing information.

 

[10 point]

Driver.

A "casual" driver got insurance?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

First of all, we are not farmers----we do not work in "barns".

The term "barn".... is a euphemism, for a terminal.

It's more commonly used in the freight industry.

Third, changes to our healthcare simply mean that we need to be smarter when it comes to our medical choices. Where in the past we may have gone to the ER with the sniffles, a $100 co-pay may make us think twice and wait until the following morning to go to our regular doctor, which only has a $10 co-pay. Where in the past we may have had a zero or very low Rx co-pay, we now need to look at our options more closely. Mail order may now be the most cost-efficient option, especially for maintenance meds.

The stark realities of life, are common sense to most people.

Fifth, contracts are the result of give and take negotiations with neither side getting everything that they wanted.

Again, a more common sense understanding of the real world.


I hope the newbie TDU'ers (and the mentally challenged) are taking notes.

Because.... you are getting schooled by Upstate.

There is no reason for a 1 punch a week though.... That is unheard of!

You might want to get out of your moms basement....


Because;

The Central States Health and Welfare Plan (c-6) has had a requirement of a

"3 punch per week" for years.


And you are crying, about having to show up for work.... once a week ?



-Bug-

 

[anHOURover]

The term "barn".... is a euphemism, for a terminal.

It's more commonly used in the freight industry.



The stark realities of life, are common sense to most people.



Again, a more common sense understanding of the real world.


I hope the newbie TDU'ers (and the mentally challenged) are taking notes.

Because.... you are getting schooled by Upstate.



You might want to get out of your moms basement....


Because;

The Central States Health and Welfare Plan (c-6) has had a requirement of a

"3 punch per week" for years.


And you are crying, about having to show up for work.... once a week ?



-Bug-

Bug you are a sell out... I was forced to take less and now we are all suffering because of hoffa and halls back room deals!!

 

[10 point]

The term "barn".... is a euphemism, for a terminal.

It's more commonly used in the freight industry.



The stark realities of life, are common sense to most people.



Again, a more common sense understanding of the real world.


I hope the newbie TDU'ers (and the mentally challenged) are taking notes.

Because.... you are getting schooled by Upstate.



You might want to get out of your moms basement....


Because;

The Central States Health and Welfare Plan (c-6) has had a requirement of a

"3 punch per week" for years.


And you are crying, about having to show up for work.... once a week ?



-Bug-

BUG, it (the enhanced C6 plan) is a good insurance plan. I'm glad barns got significantly better coverage. Maybe it was just a few barns that weren't kept up to speed on all the changes (better or worse) but that's my gripe. Would all the details have changed the outcome? Obviously not but it would lessen the "blow back".

But trust and loyalty is built through respect and stark openness and that, I believe, is the fertile soil for anger and disbelief.

Any honest poster can support obvious "common sense" issues if you have the info to compare it to.

Poor communication is the catalyst for distrust when issues become heated and the healthcare wasn't the only negotiated issue in the first round of voting on the CBA that wasn't savored. Surgery is never pleasant no matter what the target goal may be and we have all levels of mentality associated with that thought.

Are we a little spoiled? Some that don't do our job say yes, those hourlies (minus Upstate) that have been here awhile probably say no.
The only thing we have in this union (or life) that should not change is full disclosure, and honest two way communication to the voting members on the major changes the company wants and how effectively we can achieve a compromise, if at all, with the total membership's needs.

The local contract meetings definitely are step one but it was sublimely clear that the healthcare issue was the union's first priority and due to how it was handled (IMO) it looked like this was a sales job set up way before those meetings.

There's no easy answer for what happened but it falls back to this one thing in many minds: Do you trust your leadership?

You fill in the blank. Times are changing but openness and honesty can not or we can get way off course in a short time.

 

[wide load]

Bug you are a sell out... I was forced to take less and now we are all suffering because of hoffa and halls back room deals!!

Coming from a TDUer who's headquarters is in a back room.

 

[anHOURover]

Coming from a TDUer who's headquarters is in a back room.

Why is anyone who sees hoffa and halls lies are Tdu?? I'm just an educated teamster!!
Concession stand is going out of business shortly!!

 

[wide load]

.
The only thing we have in this union (or life) that should not change is full disclosure,

I completely disagree.

 

[wide load]

Why is anyone who sees hoffa and halls lies are Tdu?? I'm just an educated teamster!!
Concession stand is going out of business shortly!!

You do know other members besides a few bitter UPSers vote right?

 

[anHOURover]

You do know other members besides a few bitter UPSers vote right?

I'm aware but not many... The disgruntled upsers can get that hog out of office. Just sit back and watch rookie.... School is in session youngster...

 

[10 point]

I completely disagree.

That is your right.
But it doesn't change the issue.

You're seeing it from where you are and I'm looking at it from where I am and your lack of an explanation of your disagreeing is just what I'm talking about.

 

[wide load]

That is your right.
But it doesn't change the issue.

You're seeing it from where you are and I'm looking at it from where I am and your lack of an explanation of your disagreeing is just what I'm talking about.

I just feel that you weren't going to agree anyway so why waste my energy. Do you feel that our union or even our military perhaps needs transparency? I think that is 100% irresponsible. You may have an argument in terms of financial disclosure maybe, but full disclosure is just plan ludicrous.