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Actually, TDU is very democratic in nature. It is run by a group called the Steering Committee, elected by the membership, which sets the agenda for the year, works on the monthly Teamster Voice, works on local issues and elections, helps to train reformers take back their unions or maintain control of their unions, the convention, etc. Quite the opposite of the top down kiss-the-ring hierarchy of the current International clan. That is a big difference in the factions: the Old Guard worship individual leaders and their cult of personality while TDU is more a movement based on empowering the rank and file and pressing/lobbying for progressive change and policies.
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Keep trying to convince yourself of that. If you believe TDU is run by the rank and file, I have a bridge to sell you.
 
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804brown said:
Actually, TDU is very democratic in nature. It is run by a group called the Steering Committee, elected by the membership, which sets the agenda for the year, works on the monthly Teamster Voice, works on local issues and elections, helps to train reformers take back their unions or maintain control of their unions, the convention, etc. Quite the opposite of the top down kiss-the-ring hierarchy of the current International clan. That is a big difference in the factions: the Old Guard worship individual leaders and their cult of personality while TDU is more a movement based on empowering the rank and file and pressing/lobbying for progressive change and policies.
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This guy is the communist dictator. Show me some positive
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articles in the last 18 years that have anything to do with the international. In 18 years according to TDU nothing has been positive. That's a crap organization if you ask me. They have nothing to say that the IBT has done right in 18 years? friend that TDU. Its a bunch of crap.
 
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This guy is the communist dictator. Show me some positive View attachment 45953articles in the last 18 years that have anything to do with the international. In 18 years according to TDU nothing has been positive. That's a crap organization if you ask me. They have nothing to say that the IBT has done right in 18 years? friend that TDU. Its a bunch of crap.
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Well said!
 
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804brown said:
Actually, TDU is very democratic in nature. It is run by a group called the Steering Committee, elected by the membership, which sets the agenda for the year, works on the monthly Teamster Voice, works on local issues and elections, helps to train reformers take back their unions or maintain control of their unions, the convention, etc. Quite the opposite of the top down kiss-the-ring hierarchy of the current International clan. That is a big difference in the factions: the Old Guard worship individual leaders and their cult of personality while TDU is more a movement based on empowering the rank and file and pressing/lobbying for progressive change and policies.
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You seem very involved in the TDU movement as you called it and you seem to know a lot about the guys in power with TDU.......I just trust and prefer to take my advice from actual teamsters not people trying to infiltrate the teamsters
 
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This guy is the communist dictator. Show me some positive View attachment 45953articles in the last 18 years that have anything to do with the international. In 18 years according to TDU nothing has been positive. That's a crap organization if you ask me. They have nothing to say that the IBT has done right in 18 years? friend that TDU. Its a bunch of crap.
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If you really think Paff is some kind of dictator then you are really out there. You sound like some of these rt wingers who believe that Obama is some kind of socialist dictator too.
Anyway, TDU had good things to say about the IBT when it was run by someone who cared. Someone who was a real Teamster true and true. That was Ron Carey. So you are saying over the past 15 yrs TDU has not written any positive articles about Hoffa?? That's probably because it has been 15 yrs of failure. Can you name a single policy he implemented or contract he negotiated that deems a positive article?? Has our union grown or shrunk in those years?? Has labor won anything in Congress or any state houses around the country under his watch?? Look what he has done to Central States!! Look how he forced the contract on the 3 holdout locals !! Who are you calling a DICTATOR ?? Please!!
 
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Whatbrownwontdoforyou said:
You seem very involved in the TDU movement as you called it and you seem to know a lot about the guys in power with TDU.......I just trust and prefer to take my advice from actual teamsters not people trying to infiltrate the teamsters
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I am an actual Teamster. Paff and Levine as well as the underpaid staff of the organization WORK FOR US, the rank and file. We hire Paff and Levine to be organizers for us. Thousands of other members of TDU are actual Teamster members too. Dont' believe the nonsense you read on this forum. The Old Guard have a vested interest in disparaging ANY group that tries to challenge them. Just ask yourself over the past 15 yrs, do the people in Washington that our dues money goes to really worth those bloated salaries they give themselves?? Have the past 15 yrs of weak and concessionary contracts brought you or your local anything positive monetarily?? Have they fought back against ANYTHING UPS has pushed down our collective throats?? Think real hard. Dont fear TDU. Fear another 5 yrs of this failed administration!!
 
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804brown said:
I am an actual Teamster. Paff and Levine as well as the underpaid staff of the organization WORK FOR US, the rank and file. We hire Paff and Levine to be organizers for us. Thousands of other members of TDU are actual Teamster members too. Dont' believe the nonsense you read on this forum. The Old Guard have a vested interest in disparaging ANY group that tries to challenge them. Just ask yourself over the past 15 yrs, do the people in Washington that our dues money goes to really worth those bloated salaries they give themselves?? Have the past 15 yrs of weak and concessionary contracts brought you or your local anything positive monetarily?? Have they fought back against ANYTHING UPS has pushed down our collective throats?? Think real hard. Dont fear TDU. Fear another 5 yrs of this failed administration!!
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I make over 100k a year plus healthcare which I don't pay 1cent for plus a pension plus a contract that protects me from harrassment or excessive ot if I choose to use it..... all given to me by the old guard teamsters you guys talk so negatively about
 
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804brown said:
If you really think Paff is some kind of dictator then you are really out there. You sound like some of these rt wingers who believe that Obama is some kind of socialist dictator too.
Anyway, TDU had good things to say about the IBT when it was run by someone who cared. Someone who was a real Teamster true and true. That was Ron Carey. So you are saying over the past 15 yrs TDU has not written any positive articles about Hoffa?? That's probably because it has been 15 yrs of failure. Can you name a single policy he implemented or contract he negotiated that deems a positive article?? Has our union grown or shrunk in those years?? Has labor won anything in Congress or any state houses around the country under his watch?? Look what he has done to Central States!! Look how he forced the contract on the 3 holdout locals !! Who are you calling a DICTATOR ?? Please!!
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So in 18 years there has not been one positive thing to say about the IBT? If you think that's true I don't think I'll waste anymore time with you. You are illogical if you truly don't see this.
 
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Not sure you would be so content if you worked in Central States.
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Maybe your boy Carey shouldn't have topped off the pension payouts? Maybe freight is a dying business? Maybe baby boomers are retiring faster than people are being hired? Maybe TDU should help the IBT with a focus on A fight against RTW? Maybe TDU can thank Hall for negotiating $18.90 in wage increases on top of the health welfare and pension? Maybe TDU could praise the organizing of the airline industry? Maybe TDU can show all the rank and file their books without paying $1000 to attend a "conference"? Maybe TDU can spend a dime of their precious TRF? Maybe TDU can post their own true 100k list? Maybe TDU write about when their own get charged by the IRB? Maybe if TDU wasn't so bitter with losing seats on the International level, it would actually help our union. Instead, this rouge anti Union group of hate would rather strike, kill and eat what we, the members, worked so hard for. TDU in just trying to prove any point that works for their secret agenda is actually helping people like Walmart and the Koch boys. Stop working so hard against it. If you really wanted to help, you would have long ago. Your offer is NOT to help the members, it is to build your war chest in order to lobby for your big secret. The secret fanatical agenda of communism shrouded in a socialistic democratic garb of suffocating Saran Wrap. All your doing is killing us off one by one. So 804brown, Paff, Lev'n, Sylvester or whoever you are (at least we know your not Carey, Kindred or Camarata), the brothers and sisters of our great Union want to say, we are on to you.
 
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804brown said:
I am an actual Teamster. Paff and Levine as well as the underpaid staff of the organization WORK FOR US, the rank and file. We hire Paff and Levine to be organizers for us. Thousands of other members of TDU are actual Teamster members too. Dont' believe the nonsense you read on this forum. The Old Guard have a vested interest in disparaging ANY group that tries to challenge them. Just ask yourself over the past 15 yrs, do the people in Washington that our dues money goes to really worth those bloated salaries they give themselves?? Have the past 15 yrs of weak and concessionary contracts brought you or your local anything positive monetarily?? Have they fought back against ANYTHING UPS has pushed down our collective throats?? Think real hard. Dont fear TDU. Fear another 5 yrs of this failed administration!!
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Anyone not affiliated with the teamsters and taking money away from the organizations down to the local level is trash!! If you and these people are about the cause you wouldn't not be brainwashing local level members and taking our money. You can't and never will be able to come up with a reason why it's acceptable bye dividing us! That's all your here for! Seperating us! As for retired members giving help? They really don't have too much vested in the fight since there already gone?? Sounds more like trials of testing with no skin in the game.

I'm with most here thinking your one of the paid tdu staffers that don't own a union card at the present moment.
 
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Maybe your boy Carey shouldn't have topped off the pension payouts? Maybe freight is a dying business? Maybe baby boomers are retiring faster than people are being hired? Maybe TDU should help the IBT with a focus on A fight against RTW? Maybe TDU can thank Hall for negotiating $18.90 in wage increases on top of the health welfare and pension? Maybe TDU could praise the organizing of the airline industry? Maybe TDU can show all the rank and file their books without paying $1000 to attend a "conference"? Maybe TDU can spend a dime of their precious TRF? Maybe TDU can post their own true 100k list? Maybe TDU write about when their own get charged by the IRB? Maybe if TDU wasn't so bitter with losing seats on the International level, it would actually help our union. Instead, this rouge anti Union group of hate would rather strike, kill and eat what we, the members, worked so hard for. TDU in just trying to prove any point that works for their secret agenda is actually helping people like Walmart and the Koch boys. Stop working so hard against it. If you really wanted to help, you would have long ago. Your offer is NOT to help the members, it is to build your war chest in order to lobby for your big secret. The secret fanatical agenda of communism shrouded in a socialistic democratic garb of suffocating Saran Wrap. All your doing is killing us off one by one. So 804brown, Paff, Lev'n, Sylvester or whoever you are (at least we know your not Carey, Kindred or Camarata), the brothers and sisters of our great Union want to say, we are on to you.
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