Hoffa-Hall vs. Zuckerman-Sylvester in 2016.....

[10 point]

Don't think that having the company greatly slice our healthcare and/or charge us a healthy weekly deduction for the same wouldn't be met with a reaction not favorable to their negotiations.

There's very little compassion for corp greed in our ranks. Better not go there.

 

[Inthegame]

Her insurer may also look at and factor in that her job entails dealing with sick and contagious people every day.

I bet pkg drivers deal with more sick and contagious people in a day than any doctor.

 

[10 point]

I bet pkg drivers deal with more sick and contagious people in a day than any doctor.

Not documented.
Nor is it in our job description to treat sick people and diseases.

Doctor vs delivery person; package handler; loader; unloader?

Fyi:Not all of us that are members of healthcare plans at UPS are drivers.

 

[barnyard]

Did you compare your Doc's gross income with yours?

I guarantee you that we make more than her nurse and 2 nurse assistants that are under the same plan and pay as much as her.

My point is that anyone that believes that we can maintain a no-cost to member insurance plan and keep getting annual pay raises is living under a rock. My other point is that any candidate or slate of candidates that says they will negotiate that all back is either lying or stupid or both.

 

[Ron Carey lives on]

I think a question to ask is will ups teamsters vote? Another question is will freight (Hoffa' s bread and butter) realize that hoffa single handedly cut their pensions. If a grass roots movement takes off and stays motivated, Hoffa could be beat

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[Ron Carey lives on]

In my personal opinion Zuck and Sylvester aren't sure who would be at the top of ticket, if their is one. The last time I was around them there was almost a tension between them. And Pope who has some great ideas, seems content with her local presidency

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[10 point]

I guarantee you that we make more than her nurse and 2 nurse assistants that are under the same plan and pay as much as her.

My point is that anyone that believes that we can maintain a no-cost to member insurance plan and keep getting annual pay raises is living under a rock. My other point is that any candidate or slate of candidates that says they will negotiate that all back is either lying or stupid or both.

Now we're talking nurses pay. OK.

The "no cost" medical is shortly going to be "cost" (in this contract) and get worse as each contract ratifies by trending at ups.

We should be thankful for good insurance. Don't misunderstand my attitude toward that.

But how this last debacle was handled was wrong and there's too much behind the scene bullcrap that was predetermined way before Aug 2013.

We're asking for transparent leadership. That would be a welcome change.

 

[O/C]

When we get our W-2 forms for last year look at the annual monetary contribution going into your individual health and welfare plans. If there is not an increase start asking "WHY"..

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[Brown Spider]

In my personal opinion Zuck and Sylvester aren't sure who would be at the top of ticket, if their is one. The last time I was around them there was almost a tension between them. And Pope who has some great ideas, seems content with her local presidency

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Not sure how content Pope is with her local presidency. She's in the process of conducting a vote to merge Local 805 into Local 810.

 

[ski or die]

People that never voted before.... and didn't adequately plan for retirement....
Should now be given a vote, as a non-dues paying retiree ?
Help me understand that logic.

Maybe, someone could chime in.... and tell us, who that is.







People that never voted before.... and didn't adequately plan for retirement....

Should now be given a vote, as a non-dues paying retiree ?

Help me understand that logic.

I was very involved with our local while employed. I voted and encouraged fellow members to vote each and everytime. I also did plan for my retirement. I have all the toys I need and take more vacations then when I was employed. My retirement is adequately funded. I am sure I am not alone when the leadership is still making decisions on my insurance premium increases and what it will cover as well as making decisions on possibly decreases in pension, myself as well as many fellow retirees feel we should have a voice. When you reach retirement, no matter how well financially a person is, that person will have an opinion on who should be able to make decisions on cuts to their promised benefits. We still have the ability to vote for political offices, those who also make decisions on taxes as well as other issues affecting us even though we are retired. Retirees paid their dues for 30 plus years, don't just cast us aside and put us in nursing homes yet. I still want to fish.

-Bug-

 

[ski or die]

I was very involved with our local while employed. I voted and encouraged fellow members to vote each and everytime. I also did plan for my retirement. I have all the toys I need and take more vacations then when I was employed. My retirement is adequately funded. I am sure I am not alone when the leadership is still making decisions on my insurance premium increases and what it will cover as well as making decisions on possibly decreases in pension, myself as well as many fellow retirees feel we should have a voice. When you reach retirement, no matter how well financially a person is, that person will have an opinion on who should be able to make decisions on cuts to their promised benefits. We still have the ability to vote for political offices, those who also make decisions on taxes as well as other issues affecting us even though we are retired. Retirees paid their dues for 30 plus years, don't just cast us aside and put us in nursing homes yet. I still want to fish

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[realbrown1]

I guarantee you that we make more than her nurse and 2 nurse assistants that are under the same plan and pay as much as her.

My point is that anyone that believes that we can maintain a no-cost to member insurance plan and keep getting annual pay raises is living under a rock. My other point is that any candidate or slate of candidates that says they will negotiate that all back is either lying or stupid or both.

A neighbor across the street is a RN. She makes more than me hands down. On top of that, she works ONLY 3 shifts of 12 hours. I average 48 hours per week.
I am not saying that I should make more than her. I am just stating a fact.

 

[Inthegame]

When we get our W-2 forms for last year look at the annual monetary contribution going into your individual health and welfare plans. If there is not an increase start asking "WHY"..

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...Or you could open up your contract to NM Art 34 and see the negotiated yearly increases of $40 per week for H&W and Pension over the term of this contract. But that might be too easy...

 

[Coldworld]

I guarantee you that we make more than her nurse and 2 nurse assistants that are under the same plan and pay as much as her.

My point is that anyone that believes that we can maintain a no-cost to member insurance plan and keep getting annual pay raises is living under a rock. My other point is that any candidate or slate of candidates that says they will negotiate that all back is either lying or stupid or both.

Depending on the hospital nurses can and do make more than ups driver

A neighbor across the street is a RN. She makes more than me hands down. On top of that, she works ONLY 3 shifts of 12 hours. I average 48 hours per week.
I am not saying that I should make more than her. I am just stating a fact.

Nurses do make good money and especially when they are nurses that are doing specialized jobs especially in the OR...easily make 100k.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

I am sure I am not alone when the leadership is still making decisions on my insurance premium increases and what it will cover as well as making decisions on possibly decreases in pension, myself as well as many fellow retirees feel we should have a voice.

When you retire, you relinquish membership in the Union and any rights associated with it.

To say you should still have a voice.... well you do.

Most (if not all) Locals, have retiree "clubs" and are certainly welcome at monthly meetings.

What Local wouldn't listen to retiree concerns ?


But, to say retirees should still have a right to vote in Elections....

Would be akin to losing money gambling at the casino, then asking for a "do over".

That's not a great analogy, but you can see my point.

We still have the ability to vote for political offices, those who also make decisions on taxes as well as other issues affecting us even though we are retired.

Absolutely.

Great way to get involved.

Retirees paid their dues for 30 plus years, don't just cast us aside and put us in nursing homes yet.

Retirement, is a choice.

Just like the old motto of the Boy Scouts....

"Always be prepared"




-Bug-

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

A neighbor across the street is a RN. She makes more than me hands down. On top of that, she works ONLY 3 shifts of 12 hours. I average 48 hours per week.
I am not saying that I should make more than her. I am just stating a fact.

My ex is an RN and she makes more than I do.

 

[realbrown1]

My ex is an RN and she makes more than I do.

But in all fairness, most UPS drivers make more than you.

 

[Jim Rockford]

The way to turn that tide is not to have UPS pay more and more and more. The better way would be to legislate the way healthcare is administered.

Why do i get the feeling that we could do....or legislate x...y...or z..and bring healthcare costs to the lowest in modern history...that our corporate buddies would find a thousand other convenient reasons to work more and expect less. That's one of the reasons i've heard why the public woudnt support the union in a strike..because that same theme is drummed into their heads...day in and day out ...work more..work harder...work longer..expect less... less vacation...less benefits..less Pay...etc.

 

[realbrown1]

Retirement, is a choice.

Just like the old motto of the Boy Scouts....

"Always be prepared"
-Bug-

You can only drive a package car for so long before the body gives out.
I have only seen 1 package car driver make it to 62 before they retired. Most go out in their late 50's because their bodies are so beat up, they can't continue driving.
So sometimes it's not a choice.

 

[member6045]

After the disaster the latest UPS contract turned out to be do you guys thing UPSers will vote in higher numbers than in past elections? Will the UPS contract be enough to change the direction of the Teamsters?

Will the loss in healthcare benefits, pensions in critical condition nationwide, the excessive use of outside contractors during peak among many other issues be enough to finally defeat the management controlled Hoffa-Hall Slate in 2016?

Can the 250,000 UPS Teamsters finally change the direction of our weak and corrupt union?

To be considered a valid candidate for Teamster president! That person would have had to do advance there present local to the next level up! Not down!!