Hope you were all told by your Local Leaders....

[Ohio UPSer]

All language of the contract will become effective upon ratification of the contract. Raises will take effect on Aug. 1st 2008. Which means on Jan 1st, 2008 the teamsters get their 6.1 billion....new p/t ers will wait for 12 months for health care...progression time will increase....no new 22.3 jobs....continued vague language thet can be interupted any which way you want at the time. I will give you 6.1 billion reasons why this contract will pass...none of which benefits the workers...just a fact of business.

 

[MonavieLeaker]

This threads topic is whether or not anyone was told that the contract was going into effect on January 1 2008...

Lets try and keep it on track please.

Peace

THE NEW CONTRACT WILL NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL AUGUST 1ST 2008!!!!!!!

 

[BrownShark]

THE NEW CONTRACT WILL NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL AUGUST 1ST 2008!!!!!!!

I see many of you were NOT TOLD that the non-economic part of the new contract would go into effect on January 1 2008 and all economic parts of the contract will still remain August 1 2008.

Those who would think differently better ask.

Peace.

 

[govols019]

Not to be harsh but some people shouldn't be allowed to vote.

 

[browned_out]

1 We finally had our union meeting today 11/03, we were told that NON-ECONOMIC langauge would go into effect Jan 1st 2008, ECONOMIC langauge will go into effect Aug 1st 2008. The real question then becomes what is considered economic/non-economic, thats the scary part.

 

[dilligaf]

1 We finally had our union meeting today 11/03, we were told that NON-ECONOMIC langauge would go into effect Jan 1st 2008, ECONOMIC langauge will go into effect Aug 1st 2008. The real question then becomes what is considered economic/non-economic, thats the scary part.

Basically what we were told today (FROM Andy M DIRECTLY) is all language except pay, pension benefits goes into effect upon ratification. Wage increases and pension increases go into effect Aug 08.

 

[FIST]

When will we get any real answers! Something is wrong here, remember if you vote yes and you don't understand the language their's no going back, but if you vote no it can be fixed.

Peace Vote NOO

 

[Les Paul]

Hi I am new to these boards. I work in the Toledo Metro hub and it was another part timer who told me about the contract issues....and the severity of them. Is it unusual that in my 7.5 years of working at UPS as a part-timer, no union steward has ever approached me regarding contract issues?

 

[TheVoice]

Hi I am new to these boards. I work in the Toledo Metro hub and it was another part timer who told me about the contract issues....and the severity of them. Is it unusual that in my 7.5 years of working at UPS as a part-timer, no union steward has ever approached me regarding contract issues?

Not as much unusual as it is troubling.

 

[Damok]

Hi I am new to these boards. I work in the Toledo Metro hub and it was another part timer who told me about the contract issues....and the severity of them. Is it unusual that in my 7.5 years of working at UPS as a part-timer, no union steward has ever approached me regarding contract issues?

It's the same where I work. I actually went up to our steward (he has 20 years) and asked him about the .35 that can be taken out of our raise and applied toward P/H/W... he looked at me like I said 6 heads. After i explained it to him he nodded and wandered off to finish his nap.

As an aside i found out that the only .35 re-allocation that applies to UPSers in the building or driving must be voted on and approved by the members and it would only come up if the benefit in question was in financial trouble.. There is another, quite vague, section that I asked about (page 16 of the master that was mailed out I believe) that only applies to CSI folk and I think that can happen at the whim of the company. But, as it was explained to me and the members at our latest meeting, the re-allocation(s) that can affect us, are not automatic and cannot be made without a vote from us and there must be an underlying financial problem to even be brought to us for a vote.

I don't have my notes in front of me so if that seemed confusing i apologize. Let me know and I can go back and try to make it clearer with specific arts. and sections.

 

[sawdusttv]

Basically what we were told today (FROM Andy M DIRECTLY) is all language except pay, pension benefits goes into effect upon ratification. Wage increases and pension increases go into effect Aug 08.

In other words, it is another concession by the union.
The company will be allowed to stick it to us on all of the contract language concessions for an additional 8 months before giving up anything. Our teamster leaders are a joke! The only thing they are leading is us the rank and file over the cliff!!!!

 

[BrownShark]

In other words, it is another concession by the union.
The company will be allowed to stick it to us on all of the contract language concessions for an additional 8 months before giving up anything. Our teamster leaders are a joke! The only thing they are leading is us the rank and file over the cliff!!!!

Saw,

Thanks for seeing and showing us the bigger picture!

Peace.

 

[tieguy]

It's the same where I work. I actually went up to our steward (he has 20 years) and asked him about the .35 that can be taken out of our raise and applied toward P/H/W... he looked at me like I said 6 heads. After i explained it to him he nodded and wandered off to finish his nap.

As an aside i found out that the only .35 re-allocation that applies to UPSers in the building or driving must be voted on and approved by the members and it would only come up if the benefit in question was in financial trouble.. There is another, quite vague, section that I asked about (page 16 of the master that was mailed out I believe) that only applies to CSI folk and I think that can happen at the whim of the company. But, as it was explained to me and the members at our latest meeting, the re-allocation(s) that can affect us, are not automatic and cannot be made without a vote from us and there must be an underlying financial problem to even be brought to us for a vote.

I don't have my notes in front of me so if that seemed confusing i apologize. Let me know and I can go back and try to make it clearer with specific arts. and sections.

the members need a steward thats willing to get them answers. Maybe you should run for steward.

 

[Cole]

LOL Tie, I was going to say the same.

If you don't feel your steward is doing an acceptable job, challenge it. That's what I did 20 yrs ago when I had the same problem.

 

[Damok]

the members need a steward thats willing to get them answers. Maybe you should run for steward.

I get people answers now without being a shop.

 

[steamroll]

I was aware myself that the language part of the agreement was going to take place as of January 1st, 2008. I was first clued into this by the highly questionable loose language in Article 34 of the Master, with regards to part-timers medical.

We, for those of us that showed up, were told at our union meeting, that the language part would start in January and the economics would start in August.

When I was questioned on how I felt by the contract by management at work, it was I who had to explain to them that the language alone would be initiated in January. Of course I believe that this act of not knowing was a cleaver rouse in order for them to sell to the part-timers that the economics would start then too.

My night manager said he thought that we would be getting half of that tentative new raise starting this January, and didn’t know what everyone was bitching about as far as the split. Either he is extremely stupid, or he was using this mock understanding as a means to misinform the part-timers about the raises.

So as far as I am concerned, no, I don’t believe enough is being done by our Union to make this understood.

We are clearly on our own.

The Voice

article 34 section 2 (a) good eyes brother

 

[sortaisle]

Holy old thread Batman!