I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

rickyb

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Where are your numbers? Some are and some aren't, 34% of the housing market is fairly strong. By the way, it is 2017 not 2008.
yea your right about that. housing and rents are completely out of control in 2 of canada's biggest cities: $2000 / month for a 1 br, and $1 million, 2, 3 dollar properties. our place is almost 3 mill and i wouldnt pay 1 mill for it

it could be worse than 2008 very soon...
 

1989

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UPS treats it workers like animals. you can see it on the threads where they are refered to as numbers. people treat their house pets better than workers at UPS.
That is a few individuals opinions. My supervisor yelled at me yesterday, boo boo. Some are unprofessional. I explained my decision making, and offered to explain it in a conference call. It was over. I have never seen anyone assaulted without repercussions. But I heard of employees assaulted on route.
 

1989

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yea your right about that. housing and rents are completely out of control in 2 of canada's biggest cities: $2000 / month for a 1 br, and $1 million, 2, 3 dollar properties. our place is almost 3 mill and i wouldnt pay 1 mill for it

it could be worse than 2008 very soon...
No, housing always fluctuates. We have low supply. When supply meets demand, you might see a dip. I'm still a
Buyer.
 

rickyb

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That is a few individuals opinions. My supervisor yelled at me yesterday, boo boo. Some are unprofessional. I explained my decision making, and offered to explain it in a conference call. It was over. I have never seen anyone assaulted without repercussions. But I heard of employees assaulted on route.
so would you say most workers dislike that supervisor?
 

rickyb

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Or maybe, since the milinials Make up about 34% of the housing market, they can't find houses. Or maybe, they are looking for recreation. You do know that in some place airstreams cost more than houses? You should look into the numbers and not guess.
speaking of numbers, how much does UPS profit off of you every hour? just a rough estimate is good enough. how do you know theyre not ripping you off as a worker?

no one at my work knows including supervisors im friends with. and btw im no snitch either unlike some of my fellow union coworkers who have plantation mentality.
 
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rickyb

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Robert Reich‏Verified account @RBReich Dec 15




This is not sustainable, friends. Income gains during U.S. expansions have increasingly gone to the rich.

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rickyb

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orwell, who was a socialist, wrote animal farm as a critique of the failed russian revolution.

this part is at the end where its indistinguishable the differences between capitalism and stalinism:

It had been felt that the existence of a farm owned and operated by pigs was somehow abnormal and was liable to have an unsettling effect in the neighbourhood. Too many farmers had assumed, without due enquiry, that on such a farm a spirit of licence and indiscipline would prevail. They had been nervous about the effects upon their own animals, or even upon their human employees. But all such doubts were now dispelled. Today he and his friends had visited Animal Farm and inspected every inch of it with their own eyes, and what did they find? Not only the most up-to-date methods, but a discipline and an orderliness which should be an example to all farmers everywhere. He believed that he was right in saying that the lower animals on Animal Farm did more work and received less food than any animals in the county. Indeed, he and his fellow-visitors today had observed many features which they intended to introduce on their own farms immediately.

He would end his remarks, he said, by emphasising once again the friendly feelings that subsisted, and ought to subsist, between Animal Farm and its neighbours. Between pigs and human beings there was not, and there need not be, any clash of interests whatever. Their struggles and their difficulties were one. Was not the labour problem the same everywhere? Here it became apparent that Mr. Pilkington was about to spring some carefully prepared witticism on the company, but for a moment he was too overcome by amusement to be able to utter it. After much choking, during which his various chins turned purple, he managed to get it out: “If you have your lower animals to contend with,” he said, “we have our lower classes!” This BON MOT set the table in a roar; and Mr. Pilkington once again congratulated the pigs on the low rations, the long working hours, and the general absence of pampering which he had observed on Animal Farm.
 

rickyb

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No, housing always fluctuates. We have low supply. When supply meets demand, you might see a dip. I'm still a
Buyer.
feudalism also on the rise in america.

In Europe during the Middle Ages, feudalism was the social order of the day. Society was structured between landowners and the landless. Astonishingly, that social order is on the rise again in the UK.
A growing number of leasehold homeowners are at the mercy of a new class of rent-seeker – actively exploiting them in their own homes through onerous ground rents and permission fees.

Many of these homes were bought through the government sanctioned Help To Buy scheme, which has fuelled house builder profits and led to massive remuneration packages for CEOs.

On this show, we uncover the sleight of hand behind this growing crisis.

Britain’s iFeudalism
 

dudebro

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yea your right about that. housing and rents are completely out of control in 2 of canada's biggest cities: $2000 / month for a 1 br, and $1 million, 2, 3 dollar properties. our place is almost 3 mill and i wouldnt pay 1 mill for it

it could be worse than 2008 very soon...
You're a well read guy, but you read a lot of stuff that isn't so. Your characterization of UPS and capitalism is simplistic and while it may apply to some, it does not apply to many others.

I'm well treated at work, and well paid. So are many others.
 

rickyb

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You're a well read guy, but you read a lot of stuff that isn't so. Your characterization of UPS and capitalism is simplistic and while it may apply to some, it does not apply to many others.

I'm well treated at work, and well paid. So are many others.
thank you. im probably slightly above average for smarts, but i have listened to alot of economics talks over the years

id guess a majority of people dont like their job and thats because of the undemocratic nature of capitalism, amongst other things which your right about.
 

1989

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speaking of numbers, how much does UPS profit off of you every hour? just a rough estimate is good enough. how do you know theyre not ripping you off as a worker?

no one at my work knows including supervisors im friends with. and btw im no snitch either unlike some of my fellow union coworkers who have plantation mentality.
Please define that line of “ripping off the worker”. Can you define that line? That would require you to give a number.
 

rickyb

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I would rather work for a stronger company than that. UPS needs capitel to remain strong. To cover expenses for increasing wages, maintaining assets, failing pensions, updating infrastructure.
ok but how do you know your not getting ripped off if you dont know how much theyre profiting off you every hour.

especially considering the economy is not that great.
 
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