I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

[rickyb]

I like the patronizing attitude. It’s the only way to address these people.

Willing to trade in one of the most prosperous societies in the world for a utopia that has never existed outside of the minds of gender equality majors.

america has only ever been prosperous for a small minority. the majority of americans have likely always worked hard to make a small minority stinking rich

 

[vantexan]

america has only ever been prosperous for a small minority. the majority of americans have likely always worked hard to make a small minority stinking rich

At last he understands. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

 

[rickyb]

At last he understands. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

and you can say that about slavery, state socialism, feudalism, etc

 

[El Correcto]

america has only ever been prosperous for a small minority. the majority of americans have likely always worked hard to make a small minority stinking rich

If you consider being a millionaire the only form of prosperity.

 

[oldngray]

 

[rickyb]

If you consider being a millionaire the only form of prosperity.

nope

 

[1989]

america has only ever been prosperous for a small minority. the majority of americans have likely always worked hard to make a small minority stinking rich

Please define prosperity. Is it a certain income level? Is it a certain net worth? Give me the numbers so that I can have a baseline.

You always squirm are everything. Usually starts out like this “well I don’t know” then you deflect.

 

[rickyb]

Please define prosperity. Is it a certain income level? Is it a certain net worth? Give me the numbers so that I can have a baseline.

You always squirm are everything. Usually starts out like this “well I don’t know” then you deflect.

my definition is meaningful work, ending exploitation, and worker self determination.

in some cases you maybe have the 1st.

 

[1989]

my definition is meaningful work, ending exploitation, and worker self determination.

in some cases you maybe have the 1st.

So $10 an hour....another deflection.

 

[rickyb]

So $10 an hour....another deflection.

come again

 

[1989]

come again

How much an hour is prosperous?

 

[vantexan]

my definition is meaningful work, ending exploitation, and worker self determination.

in some cases you maybe have the 1st.

One of the main reasons capitalism works is the market is organized to be as efficient as possible. Efficiency not only means more profit but it also means when you go to the supermarket the shelves are stocked with what you want. Oh sure, they may run out of something and you may have to wait a day or two, but mostly it's there when you want it.

Compare that with having to decide everything by committee. Workers taking a vote on everything because that's fair and just. You have gone on so many times about abuse by bosses one can only conclude in your world there wouldn't be any bosses, just workers who very democratically decide everything after much discussion. Efficient capitalist markets work because systems are set up to move things along and managers are there to make sure employees do their assigned part. Nobody likes to get managed, especially by some who just aren't good at it. But it's a necessary evil. Co-ops might make some sense with products that are very high value and have a strong demand. But for most things in order to make a profit and keep shelves stocked or services rendered you need an efficient, speedy flow. I'm sure someone will make a snarky comment about that last line. But you're never going to see an uprising of the proletariat Ricky because most people aren't highly paid artisans. They're cogs in the machine and just want to get through their day. You're best bet is foolish college kids who've been hoodwinked by very liberal professors.

 

[rickyb]

One of the main reasons capitalism works is the market is organized to be as efficient as possible. Efficiency not only means more profit but it also means when you go to the supermarket the shelves are stocked with what you want. Oh sure, they may run out of something and you may have to wait a day or two, but mostly it's there when you want it.

Compare that with having to decide everything by committee. Workers taking a vote on everything because that's fair and just. You have gone on so many times about abuse by bosses one can only conclude in your world there wouldn't be any bosses, just workers who very democratically decide everything after much discussion. Efficient capitalist markets work because systems are set up to move things along and managers are there to make sure employees do their assigned part. Nobody likes to get managed, especially by some who just aren't good at it. But it's a necessary evil. Co-ops might make some sense with products that are very high value and have a strong demand. But for most things in order to make a profit and keep shelves stocked or services rendered you need an efficient, speedy flow. I'm sure someone will make a snarky comment about that last line. But you're never going to see an uprising of the proletariat Ricky because most people aren't highly paid artisans. They're cogs in the machine and just want to get through their day. You're best bet is foolish college kids who've been hoodwinked by very liberal professors.

capitalism does not mean efficiency and it doesnt mean your going to find what you want either.

worker coops can vote in / out managers for efficiency sake. at least they can choose their managers

 

[rickyb]

How much an hour is prosperous?

i cant tell u that bc it varies based on costs of living. plus theres more to being prosperous than just $$

but i know its not working for ups, or any job ive ever done

 

[SolidWoodPanel]

At least when you're a capitalist society you get to actually drink a milkshake. Name one place where socialism has worked and i'll include you in my will.

 

[rickyb]

At least when you're a capitalist society you get to actually drink a milkshake. Name one place where socialism has worked and i'll include you in my will.

theres no place socialism has ever fully developed because its always been smashed by capitalism and their governments.

and theres plenty of poor with capitalism too who cant get milkshakes

search "emilia romagna" on this thread. 33% of its GDP is coop

 

[vantexan]

capitalism does not mean efficiency and it doesnt mean your going to find what you want either.

worker coops can vote in / out managers for efficiency sake. at least they can choose their managers

Capitalism doesn't mean efficiency? Corporations are profit driven. Efficiency increases profit. Might want to take an economics course.

 

[rickyb]

Capitalism doesn't mean efficiency? Corporations are profit driven. Efficiency increases profit. Might want to take an economics course.

profits does not mean efficient. nor does capitalism.

capitalists externalize alot of the costs. capitalists ship things 1000s of miles to take advantage of low wages or whatever. capitalists have us owning things which we only use 5% or less of the time, and buying things we dont need. this is not efficiency

war is peace. freedom is slavery...

ive listened to alot of economists. enough to know that if u want to learn econ you dont take a course in it LOL

 

[BrownArmy]

Capitalism doesn't mean efficiency? Corporations are profit driven. Efficiency increases profit. Might want to take an economics course.

That’s mostly true.

Except with healthcare.

I mean, really, ‘market forces’ don’t work in healthcare.

 

[1989]

i cant tell u that bc it varies based on costs of living. plus theres more to being prosperous than just $$

but i know its not working for ups, or any job ive ever done

Pick a city in the US give me an hourly rate that is prosperous for that area.