I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism
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ill take your word for it!
btw i was thinking its ironic how republicans are in favor of life ie anti abortion and yet you are major carnivores! i couldnt eat my dog and i dont think the farm animals people eat are any different.
George Orwell — 'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'
It will be fine
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Not to the extent that people in America eat meat. You don't need it at all, let alone every meal. I think it's pretty easy to not kill for pleasure.
Catatonic
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They vote with their feet just like consumers do.
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How about your girlfriend?
apparently we evolved to consider abortion as well.
im pretty sure vegans who take vitamin b12 are healthier than carnivores.
but anyways this is all something to consider in regards to protecting life if thats your thing.
yea but thats like voting for what dictator treats you best.
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Yeah?
What's your point?
thats from dr michael gregerOh! You're a doctor too?
im saying if do you have democracy if your vote is a choice between 2 dictators?
btw this a different take on libertarianism.
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BrownArmy
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BTW, humans have evolved to be omnivores.
Just saying.
Take your pick.
Vegans who take B12 are supplementing what they would have normally ingested if they weren't vegans.
And, by all means, if you want to be a vegan, go right ahead.
Do your homework, figure out your nutritional needs, and proceed.
In either case, life feeds on life.
#carrotlivesmatter
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yea but thats last 10% of our evolution. the other 23 million years we ate like apes.
yea its too bad life feeds on life.
more to being a success or failure than just moving out and working for UPS, but when you cant think for yourself and just do what your told all the time, naturally you will have lower expectations for your bar of success. you can place a large blame on poor social mobility on capitalism and free markets which have delivered lower wages, price speculation in house prices, and high rents.
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from a alternet article. look up more stuff on chomsky and libertarianism.
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Noam Chomsky: Well, anarchism is, in my view, basically a kind of tendency in human thought which shows up in different forms in different circumstances, and has some leading characteristics. Primarily it is a tendency that is suspicious and skeptical of domination, authority, and hierarchy. It seeks structures of hierarchy and domination in human life over the whole range, extending from, say, patriarchal families to, say, imperial systems, and it asks whether those systems are justified. It assumes that the burden of proof for anyone in a position of power and authority lies on them. Their authority is not self-justifying. They have to give a reason for it, a justification. And if they can’t justify that authority and power and control, which is the usual case, then the authority ought to be dismantled and replaced by something more free and just. And, as I understand it, anarchy is just that tendency. It takes different forms at different times.
Anarcho-syndicalism is a particular variety of anarchism which was concerned primarily, though not solely, but primarily with control over work, over the work place, over production. It took for granted that working people ought to control their own work, its conditions, [that] they ought to control the enterprises in which they work, along with communities, so they should be associated with one another in free associations, and … democracy of that kind should be the foundational elements of a more general free society. And then, you know, ideas are worked out about how exactly that should manifest itself, but I think that is the core of anarcho-syndicalist thinking. I mean it’s not at all the general image that you described — people running around the streets, you know, breaking store windows — but [anarcho-syndicalism] is a conception of a very organized society, but organized from below by direct participation at every level, with as little control and domination as is feasible, maybe none.
Wilson: With the apparent ongoing demise of the capitalist state, many people are looking at other ways to be successful, to run their lives, and I’m wondering what you would say anarchy and syndicalism have to offer, things that others ideas — say, for example, state-run socialism — have failed to offer? Why should we choose anarchy, as opposed to, say, libertarianism?
Chomsky: Well what’s called libertarian in the United States, which is a special U. S. phenomenon, it doesn’t really exist anywhere else — a little bit in England — permits a very high level of authority and domination but in the hands of private power: so private power should be unleashed to do whatever it likes. The assumption is that by some kind of magic, concentrated private power will lead to a more free and just society. Actually that has been believed in the past. Adam Smith for example, one of his main arguments for markets was the claim that under conditions of perfect liberty, markets would lead to perfect equality. Well, we don’t have to talk about that! That kind of —
Wilson: It seems to be a continuing contention today …
Chomsky: Yes, and so well that kind of libertarianism, in my view, in the current world, is just a call for some of the worst kinds of tyranny, namely unaccountable private tyranny. Anarchism is quite different from that. It calls for an elimination to tyranny, all kinds of tyranny. Including the kind of tyranny that’s internal to private power concentrations. So why should we prefer it? Well I think because freedom is better than subordination. It’s better to be free than to be a slave. It's better to be able to make your own decisions than to have someone else make decisions and force you to observe them. I mean, I don’t think you really need an argument for that. It seems like … transparent.
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