I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

[rickyb]

in france, employers cant just fire workers. the government gets involved as well. this is less centralized than america's economy.

absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[rickyb]

Peter Stefanovic‏Verified account @PeterStefanovi2 15h15 hours ago

If you only read one thing today make it this

 

[rickyb]

at my work, there are people who work casually. during low season, there are many months where casuals might work 1x a month. so as a casual, you need to find another job to survive. so what happened was because capitalism is an unreasonable economic system which centralizes power (like state socialism, slavery, feudalism), one of the supervisors was giving a single mother a hard time threatening to fire her because her other job was interfering with her availability.

you can best believe if a majority of workers were to vote on her fate, they would not have even bothered her to begin with.

absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[1989]

at my work, there are people who work casually. during low season, there are many months where casuals might work 1x a month. so as a casual, you need to find another job to survive. so what happened was because capitalism is an unreasonable economic system which centralizes power (like state socialism, slavery, feudalism), one of the supervisors was giving a single mother a hard time threatening to fire her because her other job was interfering with her availability.

you can best believe if a majority of workers were to vote on her fate, they would not have even bothered her to begin with.

absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Not everybody wets the bed at night.

 

[It will be fine]

at my work, there are people who work casually. during low season, there are many months where casuals might work 1x a month. so as a casual, you need to find another job to survive. so what happened was because capitalism is an unreasonable economic system which centralizes power (like state socialism, slavery, feudalism), one of the supervisors was giving a single mother a hard time threatening to fire her because her other job was interfering with her availability.

you can best believe if a majority of workers were to vote on her fate, they would not have even bothered her to begin with.

absolute power corrupts absolutely.

What does her being a single mother have to do with her job? If she's unavailable to work when it's required she should be fired. It's a job, not a charity.

 

[1989]

Peter Stefanovic‏Verified account @PeterStefanovi2 15h15 hours ago

If you only read one thing today make it this

So, a first time buyer, ups driver could buy a $350,000 USD house with as little as $10,500 down. And have a pretty nice lifestyle.

In the US you would need a jumbo loan over 417k in most states.

You could always buy into a co op, but I think they only a seller to have a 3% gain per year. Good luck finding a seller in good times.

 

[rickyb]

What does her being a single mother have to do with her job? If she's unavailable to work when it's required she should be fired. It's a job, not a charity.

actually come to think of it im pretty sure the father of the child puts up money.

because this is an example of kicking someone when their down + capitalists being totally unreasonable. how does the company expect casuals to stick around long term if they dont get enough hours in the winter? most people need at least 40 hours of work to survive. even if she didnt have a kid, this is totally unjust and i dont know why the union agreed to such wording in the collective agreement. one of the workers was saying the company didnt pursue it, because she would have got her job back plus lost pay. i wonder if there was unions under slavery? probably! but maybe not in the same form as today.

for a guy with the buddah in your pic, you dont seem that enlightened...

 

[rickyb]

So, a first time buyer, ups driver could buy a $350,000 USD house with as little as $10,500 down. And have a pretty nice lifestyle.

In the US you would need a jumbo loan over 417k in most states.

You could always buy into a co op, but I think they only a seller to have a 3% gain per year. Good luck finding a seller in good times.

yes US prices are much more reasonable after the bubble popped

 

[rickyb]

So, a first time buyer, ups driver could buy a $350,000 USD house with as little as $10,500 down. And have a pretty nice lifestyle.

In the US you would need a jumbo loan over 417k in most states.

You could always buy into a co op, but I think they only a seller to have a 3% gain per year. Good luck finding a seller in good times.

i watched a few keiser report episodes on public pensions, and wall street ruined them along with government. gonna post a private pension episode when i find it probably tomorrow.

 

[1989]

yes US prices are much more reasonable after the bubble popped

In 2012 many existing homes were still selling under replacement cost.

 

[It will be fine]

actually come to think of it im pretty sure the father of the child puts up money.

because this is an example of kicking someone when their down + capitalists being totally unreasonable. how does the company expect casuals to stick around long term if they dont get enough hours in the winter? most people need at least 40 hours of work to survive. even if she didnt have a kid, this is totally unjust and i dont know why the union agreed to such wording in the collective agreement. one of the workers was saying the company didnt pursue it, because she would have got her job back plus lost pay. i wonder if there was unions under slavery? probably! but maybe not in the same form as today.

for a guy with the buddah in your pic, you dont seem that enlightened...

You think companies should pay people to not work and keep them employed when there's no work to be done? It's not unjust to lay people off when there's no work. I don't care about my employee's personal lives at all, do the work I assign you or find another job. With your magical thinking of worker coops do employees not have to work if it's inconvenient to their personal life? I don't see those coops lasting too long if that's the case.

 

[rickyb]

You think companies should pay people to not work and keep them employed when there's no work to be done? It's not unjust to lay people off when there's no work. I don't care about my employee's personal lives at all, do the work I assign you or find another job. With your magical thinking of worker coops do employees not have to work if it's inconvenient to their personal life? I don't see those coops lasting too long if that's the case.

actually the company doesnt lay off casuals, but like i said they have almost no work in slow season. and some casuals need more work than that, even though the company could give them more it doesnt. for example in slow season or year round i would gladly work 30 hours a week. so they could give the other 10 to casuals. so some of the casuals have to get other jobs, and then the company in this specific case wonders why the employees cant come to their beckoning call, well its cuz u didnt reasonably give them enough work to begin with.

company wants its cake and to eat it also, and while capitalism mostly works like that, sometimes average joes get some protection.

 

[1989]

In our corporation we have about 5 mil in assets, 900k cash on hand. Must keep 500k available for water emergencies. About 8 full time employees. Another 5 seasonal. It has about 700 shares outstanding, 7 board members, and various committees.

I'll bet that my corporation has a more democratic system than Richard wolff's and max Keizer's businesses.

Is it true that wolff is worth 8 mil? and keiser is worth 5 mil? How did these guys become 1 percenters?

 

[rickyb]

In our corporation we have about 5 mil in assets, 900k cash on hand. Must keep 500k available for water emergencies. About 8 full time employees. Another 5 seasonal. It has about 700 shares outstanding, 7 board members, and various committees.

I'll bet that my corporation has a more democratic system than Richard wolff's and max Keizer's businesses.

Is it true that wolff is worth 8 mil? and keiser is worth 5 mil? How did these guys become 1 percenters?

max has got a great tv show which you really ought to watch, he also invested early and recommended bitcoin.

richard wolff is a professor, he sells books, and i think he does some kind of consulting for the business community. i doubt richard wolff is that rich...but i dont know what he makes. since richard wolff lives somewhere near manhattan, hes probably rich off of rising property values. i think cornel west makes 200k a year as a professor at harvard / princeton, so we can assume richard wolff makes over 100k.

whether someone is popular or not, or rich or not doesnt really have anything to do with why i listen to them. i got referred to richard wolff while i was watching a chris hedges interview on cspan in 2012. i got referred to chris hedges through michael moore, who btw lies and sold out to democrats starting out with sicko. but it turns out richard wolff has gotten way more popular since then, and im not sure how many videos chris hedges did that went viral back then but alot have over 100,000 views.

im not sure if max keiser is in favor of coops. i know hes in favor a bringing back the guillotine for all these chief executives of wall street banks, and probably people in government too like obama, bush, etc . max has promoted a basic income on his show many times.

you should read george orwells 1984 and compare it to working for UPS.

its good to hear your thinking about democracy and how that ties in with being ruled at UPS all day.

 

[1989]

My point is you are listening to ani capitalist jargon from some of the most successful capitalists around.

 

[rickyb]

My point is you are listening to ani capitalist jargon from some of the most successful capitalists around.

doesnt mean they cant speak out.

you should listen to more anti capitalist jargon. test your views; get a variety of perspectives.

 

[rickyb]

Bump in U.S. Incomes Doesn’t Erase 50 Years of Pain

 

[1989]

doesnt mean they cant speak out.

you should listen to more anti capitalist jargon. test your views; get a variety of perspectives.

What are they doing? Are they starting co ops? Are they changing their habits away from the capitalist society? Or are they just getting rich off you?

 

[rickyb]

What are they doing? Are they starting co ops? Are they changing their habits away from the capitalist society? Or are they just getting rich off you?

some people believe in doing something constructive for the world, like recommending bitcoin, criticizing wall street / corporate america / government, and teaching economics.

not everyone is out there just to get rich.

 

[oldngray]

If you choose an easy path don't expect to get well paid to do so. Nor should you be jealous of those who choose to work harder and end up with more.