Immigration

[rod]

So you're saying it's better to conquer, steal, enslave, rape and pillage then it is to enter illegally and work to become a productive member of this nation?

I didn't say that. So you are saying its better to enter illegally than to try to become a good citizen and do it right?

 

[floridays]

I didn't say that. So you are saying its better to enter illegally than to try to become a good citizen and do it right?

Expect crickets, you cornered him.

 

[MAKAVELI]

I didn't say that. So you are saying its better to enter illegally than to try to become a good citizen and do it right?

if it were actually viable for these people to do it legally sure it would be. The problem is the system is broken and it's not viable for these people who are fleeing poverty and violence.

 

[moreluck]

This administration is accused of separating children from their parents...….so that guy trying to slide an 8 month old baby under the wall is not to blame for the separation from his kid?

 

[rod]

if it were actually viable for these people to do it legally sure it would be. The problem is the system is broken and it's not viable for these people who are fleeing poverty and violence.

What is not viable about it? Sure there are tons of people fleeing poverty but why should the US just let them all in? How long do you figure it would take to destroy the country if we let EVERYONE in. I bet you would be the first to complain if a swarm of them took over your neighborhood illegally.

 

[rod]

Expect crickets, you cornered him.

I've learned over the years that @MAKAVELI loves to argue and don't care if he is right or not.

 

[rickyb]

Yeah, but in Canada you want to die!!!!

why is that?

people commit suicide here like in america, im not sure if we have the same problem of middle aged whites doing suicide the way you guys are

 

[rickyb]

You're just because alcohol is so friggin expensive in Canada---and about the only thing you can own weapon wise are slingshots.

my high school friend has a shotguns, 9mm, cant remember what else...

youre probably right tho, not like american guns.

 

[rod]

my high school friend has a shotguns, 9mm, cant remember what else...

youre probably right tho, not like american guns.

Does Mom let you keep any weapons in the basement?

 

[rickyb]

Does Mom let you keep any weapons in the basement?

i had a firearms license. i was gonna buy a revolver. but its a waste of money. you cant use guns for self defense here im pretty sure. they have to be locked in the case and only used where you say you will use them like certain firing ranges. i think thats how it works. i got some friends of friends who shoot guns in the wilderness. im assuming its legal. we dont have mass shootings here.

 

[Fred's Myth]

if it were actually viable for these people to do it legally sure it would be. The problem is the system is broken and it's not viable for these people who are fleeing poverty and violence.

And ironically they believe they'll escape it by going to California!

 

[Old Man Jingles]

So you're saying it's better to conquer, steal, enslave, rape and pillage than it is to enter illegally and work to become a productive member of this nation?

An example of a Straw Man logical fallacy.
In the straw man fallacy, someone attacks a position the opponent doesn’t really hold. Instead of contending with the actual argument, he or she instead attacks the equivalent of a lifeless bundle of straw.

I didn't say that. So you are saying its better to enter illegally than to try to become a good citizen and do it right?

An excellent response to a fallacious Straw Man argument.

 

[MAKAVELI]

What is not viable about it? Sure there are tons of people fleeing poverty but why should the US just let them all in? How long do you figure it would take to destroy the country if we let EVERYONE in. I bet you would be the first to complain if a swarm of them took over your neighborhood illegally.

You're okay with destroying other people's countries for our own gain. I understand and empathize why people come here illegally to survive. Here's a little fact for you, immigrants aren't destroying this country people like your piece of smile* president are.

 

[vantexan]

Are you familiar with the word anecdotal?

I've been to Mexico, that doesn't have anything to do with macro economics.

A 30 second Google search could have prevented you from looking so clueless about the reality of NAFTA's effect on Mexico's labor market and immigration to the US.

I suppose the millions of Mexicans who work in our factories or in other American businesses would be better off if they didn't have those jobs? Left leaning websites who are against pretty much everything aren't what I'd consider an authority on the reality of life in Mexico.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

You're okay with destroying other people's countries for our own gain. I understand and empathize why people come here illegally to survive. Here's a little fact for you, immigrants aren't destroying this country people like your piece of smile* president are.

Straw Man argument again!
- In the straw man fallacy, someone attacks a position the opponent doesn’t really hold. Instead of contending with the actual argument, he or she instead attacks the equivalent of a lifeless bundle of straw.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Left leaning websites who are against pretty much everything aren't what I'd consider an authority on the reality of life in Mexico.

Why are you reading them then?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I suppose the millions of Mexicans who work in our factories or in other American businesses would be better off if they didn't have those jobs?

I suppose the millions of Mexicans put out of a job by NAFTA are better off?

 

[rickyb]

I suppose the millions of Mexicans who work in our factories or in other American businesses would be better off if they didn't have those jobs? Left leaning websites who are against pretty much everything aren't what I'd consider an authority on the reality of life in Mexico.

i was just showing mom michael gregers recommended diet which has 3 servings of beans per day, and then i showed her the latino paradox video he did, which shows how even though latinos are more poor, uneducated, under insured than whites, they have long life expectancy which he speculates may relate to the fact that latinos each 5x as much beans as whites.

anyways at 1 point in the video he mentions some of what NAFTA did to mexico which was increase imported processed american foods, and a sharp increase in mexican obesity.

 

[vantexan]

I know right?
Pretty stupid for him to suggest that he knows about the macroeconomics of Mexico because he went on vacation.

Lived down there for three months. Saw a lot of poverty. And a lot of development. Saw young adults everywhere staring at their smartphones. Saw every kind of luxury car there is in heavy traffic. Saw people packed like sardines in city busses. Saw modern supermarkets. Modern airports. Bus terminals that looked like airports. I was there, where were you? I'm not saying Mexico provides the opportunities for it's people that we provide for ours. If they did a tenth of their population wouldn't be living here. But it's not the horror show some would have us believe either. Tell you what...let's open the borders up completely. No border patrol. Let's jack up taxes to provide all of them with food, clothing, housing, healthcare. Let's see if that will improve our lives. You're so keen on letting them all in so let's do that. You're right about everything so what could go wrong? While we're at it let Canadians in too. Poor rickyb must be freezing up there. Don't stop there, if China can handle over a billion people so can we. I say we carve out the Americas for ourselves. India and China can take in all of Asia, Europe can handle Africa. Think how pristine the rest of the world will become if we move all the world's poor into 4 areas. Yeah, that's the ticket. About time someone came up with a solution instead of all the incessant whining.

 

[vantexan]

Why are you reading them then?

You told me to Google it. Why, so I can read Marxist claptrap?