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Typical Liberal junk.....try watching the National Geographic ch., the have a show running "Inside 9/11" watch that and tell me if we should show any mercy to the ememy, 9/11 is just as horrifying now as then
 

susiedriver

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unregistered,

You are right. The people who committed the attacks of September 11, 2001 should be punished to the furthest extent of the law. What does this have to do with Iraq?
 

ok2bclever

I Re Member
911 boils my blood and makes me want to shed some.

I just wish bush would have concentrated on bin laden and company instead of this fixation of his daddy's nemesis.

Bin Laden is still apparently alive and well over four years after proudly announcing that he masterminded 911.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
ToKillanAmerican


You probably missed it in the rush of news last week, but there was actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, any American.

So an Australian dentist wrote an editorialthe following day to let everyone know what an American is . so they would know when they found one. (Good one, mate!!!!)

"An American is English, or French, or Italian, Irish, German, Spanish, Polish, Russian or Greek.An American may also be Canadian, Mexican, African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Iranian, Asian, or Arab, or Pakistani or Afghan.

An American may also be a Comanche, Cherokee, Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, Seminole or one of the many other tribes known as native Americans.

An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim.
In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan. The only difference is that in America they are free to worship as each of them chooses.

An American is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.

An American lives in the most prosperous land in the history of the world.
The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence, which recognizes the God given right of each person to the pursuit of happiness.

An American is generous. Americans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need, never asking a thing in return.

When Afghanistan was over-run by the Soviet army 20 years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country!

As of the morning of September 11, Americans had given more than any other nation to the poor in Afghanistan.Americans welcome the best of everything...the best products, the best books, the best music, the best food, the best services. But they also welcome the least.

The national symbol of America, The Statue of Liberty, welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed. These in fact are the people who built America.

Some of them were working in the Twin Towers the morning of September 11, 2001 earning a better life for their families. It's been told that the World Trade Center victims were from at least 30 different countries, cultures, and first languages, including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.

So you can try to kill an American if you must.Hitler did.So did General Tojo, and Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung, and other blood-thirsty tyrants in the world.But, in doing so you would just be killing yourself. Because Americans are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, is an American.

 

tieguy

Banned
yep and we will soon find out that the author was a member of some college group 30 years ago that discriminated against someone. This startling fact will probably be revealed by a senator who went for a swim and left his secretary behind to feed the fish.

But the words still stand strong. :thumbup1:
 

Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
Staff member
moreluck said:
Who cares who wrote it, the sentiment is still the same. Your response was "typical Susie" for sure!!!

Why is it "typical susie" to want to know the truth? That piece is a little over the top for my tastes, but as an American I can appreciate the sentiment. I do think it's interesting that someone (not you, Moreluck) would choose to deliberately misrepresent who wrote it though, they clearly understood that it's much more flattering (and credible) to have someone else singing your praises than to do it yourself.
 

Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
Staff member
tieguy said:
Great diversion Jonesy. What did you think of the persons words?
Hmmm, did you read my post? It wasn't that long :)
Here's your answer again though:
That piece is a little over the top for my tastes, but as an American I can appreciate the sentiment.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
PART ONE....

>UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL.
>Please take the time to read the attached essay by Dr. Chong. It is
>without
>a doubt the most articulate and convincing writing I have read regarding
>the
>War in Iraq. If you have any doubts please open your mind to his essay
>and
>give a fair evaluation. I had no idea who Dr. Chong is or the source of
>these thoughts... so when I received them, I almost deleted them - as
>well-written as they are. But then I did a "Google search" on the Doctor
>and found him
>to be a retired Air Force Surgeon of all things and past Commander of
>Wilford
>Hall Medical Center in San Antonio. So he is real, is connected to
>Veterans
>affairs in California, and these are his thoughts. They are worth
>reading
>and thinking about! (the same Google search will direct you to some of his
>other thought-provoking writings.)
>_http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5000_
>(http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5000) ***** This is a link to
>Dr.
>Chong's biography
>This WAR is for REAL!
>Dr. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired
>To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country is
>now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, than
>we
>have faced in your lifetime and mine (which include WWII).
>The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are
>very
>few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who
>realize
>what losing really means.
>First, let's examine a few basics:
>1. When did the threat to us start?
>Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer as far as the United State is
>concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following
>attacks on us:
>* Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
>* Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
>* Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
>* Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
>* First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
>* Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
>* Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;
>* Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
>* Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
>* New York World Trade Center 2001; * Pentagon 2001. (Note that during
>the
>period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide).
>2. Why were we attacked?
>Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened
>during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton
>and
>Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were
>no
>provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors,
>Presidents Ford or Carter.
>3. Who were the attackers?
>In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.
>4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%.
>5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?
>Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the
>predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the
>dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no
>difference.
>You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated.
>There
>were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons
>(including 7,000 Polish priests). (see:
><_http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm_
>(
http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm) >)
>Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as
>the
>six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom heard of
>anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world
>focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in
>his way
>of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world German, Christian or
>any others.
>Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but kill
>all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone else.
 
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moreluck

golden ticket member
PART TWO.....

The
>point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection to
>anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be,
>they
>are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they
>are
>fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements -- killing all of
>us
>"infidels." I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the
>choice was shut up or die?
>6. So who are we at war with?
>There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the
>Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing
>this
>conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly
>recognize and articulate who you are fighting.
>So with that background, now to the two major questions:
>1. Can we lose this war?
>2. What does losing really mean?
>If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions.
>We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the
>major
>reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the answer
>to
>the second question - What does losing mean?
>It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means
>hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our
>business, like
>post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get.
>What losing really means is:
>We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will
>not
>subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead,
>not
>just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced
>an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past 27years. The
>plan
>was clearly, for terrorists to attack us, until we were neutered and
>submissive to them.
>We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear of
>reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent and
>cannot
>help them.
>They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be
>increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't
>matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from
> Iraq.
>Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told
>them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will be
>done.
>Spain is finished.
>The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they
>might
>see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished too, in
>that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it may
>already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and fading
>fast!
>If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will
>all
>vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us, if
>they
>were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims, how could
>anyone else?
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
PART THREE.....

The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are
>completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too and be
>likewise
>committed to winning at any cost.
>Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple.
>Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put
>100%
>of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that
>100%
>effort to win.
>So, how can we lose the war?
>Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That is,
>defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose,
>and
>really digging in and lending full support to the war effort. If we are
>united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided,
>there is
>no way that we can win!
>Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the
>life
>and death seriousness of this situation.
>President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.
>Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men
>between
>17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does
>that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the
>duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have
>become
>accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil rights
>temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.
>And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil
>rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and in
>fact
>added many more since then.
>Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?
>No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political
>Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a
>clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them
>out of
>your head. Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
>Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us
>lose.
>I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because
>they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct
>gives
>the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening. It
>concerns
>our friends, and it does great damage to our cause. Of more recent
>vintage,
>the uproar fueled by the politicians and media regarding the treatment of
>some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies best what I am saying. We have
>recently had an issue, involving the treatment of a few Muslim prisoners
>of war,
>by a small group of our military police. These are the type prisoners who
>just a few months ago were throwing their own people off buildings,
>cutting off
>their hands, cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own
>people just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.
>And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed
>400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same
>type enemy
>fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging their charred
>corpses through the streets of Iraq.
>And still more recently, the same type enemy that was and is providing
>videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of American
>prisoners they held.
>Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days
>have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some
>Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses
>through
>the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.
>Can this be for real?
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
PART FOUR.....

The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the
>Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of
>comprehension and
>understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life
>and
>death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing this war,
>nothing can. To bring our country to a virtual politicalstandstill over
>this
>prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome
>burned --
>totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor
>any
>other country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does
>not mean
>that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means
>that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude, of the situation we
>are
>in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many
>years.
>
>Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels!
>That translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United State, but
>throughout the world.
>We are the last bastion of defense.
>We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge
>is
>valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we
>are
>so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of all
>those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we can
>defeat anything bad in the world!
>We can't!
>If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive,
>and
>no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.
>And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow
>freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the
>press,
>equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any status
>for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes
>to
>the good of the world.
>This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or
>we
>will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the
>Roman Empire . If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to
>be
>written or read.
>If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims
>take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to
> >> increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach
>little
>by little, on the established French traditions. The French will be
>fighting among themselves, over what should or should not be done, which
>will
>continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve.
>Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?
>Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some
>external
> military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically
>correct
>piece by politically correct piece.
>And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown,
>worldwide
>that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to
>themselves,
> once they are in power.
>They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then
>start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control
>the
>masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the
>"peaceful Muslims"?
>I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are
>united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the election,
>the
>factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we
>are
>in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking
>about! Do whatever you can to preserve it.
>After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but
>our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world.
>Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that include
>the Politicians and media of our country and the free world!
>Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our
>"leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those that find
>fault
>with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks through
>this,
>that we must be UNITED!
 
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