It’s about to get real here in 705!

[cachmeifucan]

I'm telling you vote for the current administration the other slate doesn't have the experience to negotiate their way out of a paper bag. I was at the meeting not 1 of them turned around to address the 400 members. If they got good ideas that was, the time to speak up. I actually know tony. And is he qualified to be a business agent maybe. Do I think he will look out for my interests or his own I think his own First. And it's not him I'm worried about he is a pawn to fetch votes I'm worried about the main guys who u never seen at the hall and I got to 3 meetings a year out of 9 meetings

 

[cachmeifucan]

Anyone on here will tell you.... vote for @Tony Q

Totally different tony but same sell out concept

 

[542thruNthru]

Totally different tony but same sell out concept

I know. It was a joke.

 

[cachmeifucan]

I know but I didn't want the voting member to be confused.

 

[Mugarolla]

Who is that ?

He is the General President of the International Union that your local belongs to.

Hey hoffa said we can't strike.

That's not how it's going to work.

Nobody in our local cares what hoffa says

Your Executive Board does.

If it plays out like you said, voted down, your EB still has to authorize the strike to make it official.

If Hoffa believes that a strike is not in the best interests of the International, he will, under Article VI of the IBT Constitution, which your local us also bound by, order your EB to not authorize a strike.

If they refuse, under the same Article, he will remove the entire EB and place your local in trusteeship.

He will appoint someone loyal to him, and for good measure, place your local under the National Master.

Don't think he has that power? Think again.

 

[bowhnterdon]

Spot on. Exactly how it will work..

 

[BuckyBadger]

it's one thing to place a local in trusteeship when there's a possibility of wrongdoing. It would be tremendous bad press to do so to circumvent the will of the local by vote. That would be front page news for every newspaper in Chicago and probably around the US. I can't imagine they'd pull that stunt, even though you say they can.

Again, if if's a foregone conclusion, why in the world is this taking so long?

 

[Mugarolla]

it's one thing to place a local in trusteeship when there's a possibility of wrongdoing. It would be tremendous bad press to do so to circumvent the will of the local by vote. That would be front page news for every newspaper in Chicago and probably around the US. I can't imagine they'd pull that stunt, even though you say they can.

Again, if if's a foregone conclusion, why in the world is this taking so long?

You have to look no further than what he did to the rest of the country.

We turned down the Master, but he imposed it, with bad press and ill feelings everywhere, based on the IBT Constitution.

You think he cares about a little more bad press?

 

[BuckyBadger]

I don't know if he cares, but it would be huge...

 

[Mugarolla]

I don't know if he cares, but it would be huge...

Not that huge.

The IBT would be able to blow it off in the media.

Something to the effect of the entire country has these new 22.4 drivers, and the only reason this local rejected the contract was because they did not want 22.4 drivers.

For UPS to operate their business model differently in just one area of the country would provide an undue hardship on the Company.

While I don't really believe what I just said, you can bet the public and media will believe it.

I mean, who is the media going to believe, Hoffa or this Youtuber who is now the voice of TDU.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Not that huge.

The IBT would be able to blow it off in the media.

Something to the effect of the entire country has these new 22.4 drivers, and the only reason this local rejected the contract was because they did not want 22.4 drivers.

For UPS to operate their business model differently in just one area of the country would provide an undue hardship on the Company.

While I don't really believe what I just said, you can bet the public and media will believe it.

I mean, who is the media going to believe, Hoffa or this Youtuber who is now the voice of TDU.

The media already knows the membership is hacked off. It's been reported many times for many days.

That dude is not the voice of freight or package. He's on YouTube. Come on.

You think the media believes Hoffa? Doubtful.

But I do believe the shippers are tired of the infighting. This isn't 1997.

And, the GP isnt his dad either btw.

 

[Mugarolla]

The media already knows the membership is hacked off. It's been reported many times for many days.

Not in awhile. Old news.

The media goes away relatively quickly, a fact that Hoffa knows and counts on.

That dude is not the voice of freight or package. He's on YouTube. Come on.

Tyler Blooper is the new face of TDU.

Went to their convention and everything.

Hell, people are saying he is the next GP.

You think the media believes Hoffa? Doubtful.

The mainstream media does. The Socialist media doesn't, but they also go away quickly.

And, the GP isnt his dad either btw.

That's a fact.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Not in awhile. Old news.

The media goes away relatively quickly, a fact that Hoffa knows and counts on.

This is fresh news daily because everytime that Freight's contract impasse issue is shown in the news they have had a picture of a ups package car in the forefront instead of a tractor trailer and people ask us if we're going on strike even as recently as today.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Here are some exerpts of the recent articles, some with pictures, that are confusing the public and accenting the rub between the ibt leadership and the rank and file.
There are more but these are more recent.

 

[Mugarolla]

This is fresh news daily because everytime that Freight's contract impasse issue is shown in the news they have had a picture of a ups package car in the forefront instead of a tractor trailer and people ask us if we're going on strike even as recently as today.

Freight is in the media because it is current news.

I can't help that the media doesn't know the difference.

Hoffa imposing our contract hasn't been in the media for a long time.

This is what we were discussing, how fast the media will move on once things are done, even if Hoffa puts a local in trusteeship and forces a contract.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Freight is in the media because it is current news.

I can't help that the media doesn't know the difference.

Hoffa imposing our contract hasn't been in the media for a long time.

This is what we were discussing, how fast the media will move on once things are done, even if Hoffa puts a local in trusteeship and forces a contract.

"A long time"?

This is what we were discussing, how fast the media will move on once things are done, even if Hoffa puts a local in trusteeship and forces a contract.

You have to look no further than what he did to the rest of the country.

We turned down the Master, but he imposed it, with bad press and ill feelings everywhere, based on the IBT Constitution.

You think he cares about a little more bad press?

This was what you were discussing. The whole thing is bad press and the point I was attempting to make was about the confusion in the general public about the situation.

With 705 and 710's situation coupled with the final offer to freight it has never gone away no matter if you "can't help that the media doesn't know the difference".

My point was...
that we still get asked by the public daily if we are going on strike, not that the media was smart or that they haven't or have moved on even though the press releases and coverage is confusing to many looking on.

Meanwhile, we hope 705, 710, and freight fares well and we stand with them no matter what they decide.

 

[Mugarolla]

"A long time"?

This was what you were discussing. The whole thing is bad press and the point I was attempting to make was about the confusion in the general public about the situation.

With 705 and 710's situation coupled with the final offer to freight it has never gone away no matter if you "can't help that the media doesn't know the difference".

My point was...
that we still get asked by the public daily if we are going on strike, not that the media was smart or that they haven't or have moved on even though the press releases and coverage is confusing to many looking on.

Meanwhile, we hope 705, 710, and freight fares well and we stand with them no matter what they decide.

What does people asking you daily if we are going on strike have to do with bad press regarding Hoffa?

Because that is what "we" were discussing before you jumped in.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

He is the General President of the International Union that your local belongs to.
If it plays out like you said, voted down, your EB still has to authorize the strike to make it official.

If Hoffa believes that a strike is not in the best interests of the International, he will, under Article VI of the IBT Constitution, which your local us also bound by, order your EB to not authorize a strike.

If they refuse, under the same Article, he will remove the entire EB and place your local in trusteeship.

Appreciate the actual information. That section does indeed make it appear that Hoffa could try to shut 705's attempt down using that.

Thanks for answering my question.

If 710's president believes that it's a foregone conclusion, why not just stop negotiating and put this up for vote?

It's not a foregone conclusion, but it is a very high probability.

Hoffa has not said whether or not he will intervene, if it comes to a possible strike, so we do not know for sure.

someone with a direct connection to the 710 president said Hoffa will override. So my question stands. Why not just put the contract out to 710 and get it over with?

I did not hear that, but, like I said, I think that he will, if it comes to that.

He will do the same for 705.

Both locals will get 22.4 drivers, one way or another.

Nobody in our local cares what hoffa says I'm telling you if we take a strike vote 80% vote to strike. I could see it now . Hey hoffa said we can't strike. Who is that ? Nobody flip the burgers and keep striking

I think you are underestimating the broad power of the GP...

So have you ever put toothpaste back in the tube. We should take the strike vote first. So that we know it will be last and final offer. Then give us the contract to vote on. I promise you it will not pass and I promise you we will meet any and all thresholds. Then what we automatically go on strike good luck I think your underestimating our unity and our power if this guy sells us another bad contract he can guarantee this will be his last term so many ramifications that an outsider can't see.

The IBT would be able to blow it off in the media.
I mean, who is the media going to believe, Hoffa or this Youtuber who is now the voice of TDU.

What else were "we" discussing that's off limits to reply to in your profound opinion?

The bad press regarding what happened to the rest of the package cba that got ratified compared to what may be to come in 705 and 710 was part of the discussion plus adding the YouTube TB topic.

Now you demand "on topic" responses to a thread.

 

[Mugarolla]

Now you demand "on topic" responses to a thread.

Never said that.

I just said that Hoffa imposing the contract was old news.

Not in awhile. Old news.

And you said it was fresh news daily. I thought you meant the Hoffa bad press was daily due to him imposing the contract.

This is fresh news daily

We were just talking about two different things.

You were talking about UPS in the press, whether it is freight or small package.

I get your point, but we were talking about the fallout and bad press to Hoffa if he "steps" into 705/710.

Carry on with the UPS bad press and the small package, I mean freight, strike

 

[DOK]

Who is that ?

He is the General President of the International Union that your local belongs to.

Hey hoffa said we can't strike.

That's not how it's going to work.

Nobody in our local cares what hoffa says

Your Executive Board does.

If it plays out like you said, voted down, your EB still has to authorize the strike to make it official.

If Hoffa believes that a strike is not in the best interests of the International, he will, under Article VI of the IBT Constitution, which your local us also bound by, order your EB to not authorize a strike.

If they refuse, under the same Article, he will remove the entire EB and place your local in trusteeship.

He will appoint someone loyal to him, and for good measure, place your local under the National Master.

Don't think he has that power? Think again.

What happened when nyc had that unauthorized strike a few years back?