Jim Crow: The Sequel

Babagounj

Babagounj

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vantexan said:
Yeah it was being said here that the black vote was being suppressed by not allowing early voting on Sunday. Turns out they expanded voting on Sunday to include the previous Saturday also and are allowing counties to choose to allow early voting on the previous Sunday also. Guess somebody was ill informed.
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It worked this way; you go to church on Sunday, listen to your preacher and then go to the polls.
 
worldwide

worldwide

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It will be fine said:
She politely knocked on a door. I’m sure you believe that’s equivalent to beating cops with flag poles, but those of us living in reality can see the difference.
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A statement from the GA State Patrol troopers:

"Rep. Cannon went inside the stanchions and began knocking on the door. Rep. Cannon was instructed to stop knocking on the door and that Governor Kemp was having a press conference inside. Rep. Cannon continued to knock on the door and was instructed again to stop knocking on the door. She was advised that she was disturbing what was going on inside and if she did not stop, she would be placed under arrest. Rep. Cannon stepped back for a moment and then stepped back up to the door and started knocking on the door again. She was again advised if she did not stop, she would be arrested for obstruction and disturbing the press conference. Rep. Cannon refused to stop knocking on the door. Rep. Cannon was placed under arrest and escorted out of the Capitol."

Not following the instructions of the police typically leads to getting arrested. She was asked politely four times to stop. Why not simply follow instructions?
O.C.G.A. 16-10-24 (2010) 16-10-24. Obstructing or hindering law enforcement officers
 
zubenelgenubi

zubenelgenubi

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worldwide said:
A statement from the GA State Patrol troopers:

"Rep. Cannon went inside the stanchions and began knocking on the door. Rep. Cannon was instructed to stop knocking on the door and that Governor Kemp was having a press conference inside. Rep. Cannon continued to knock on the door and was instructed again to stop knocking on the door. She was advised that she was disturbing what was going on inside and if she did not stop, she would be placed under arrest. Rep. Cannon stepped back for a moment and then stepped back up to the door and started knocking on the door again. She was again advised if she did not stop, she would be arrested for obstruction and disturbing the press conference. Rep. Cannon refused to stop knocking on the door. Rep. Cannon was placed under arrest and escorted out of the Capitol."

Not following the instructions of the police typically leads to getting arrested. She was asked politely four times to stop. Why not simply follow instructions?
O.C.G.A. 16-10-24 (2010) 16-10-24. Obstructing or hindering law enforcement officers
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The question is were they giving her lawful orders? And was she breaking any law by knocking on the door? If the answer to both those questions are no, the officers might have some 'splaining to do. If I'm minding my own business, not breaking any law, and some cop comes and tells me to stop doing what I'm doing, the cop can get bent as far as I'm concerned. He better be able to explain to me why I should stop doing something that I have every legal right to do. Simply because he's a cop and he says so is not a good answer, and the threat of the use of violence is really not a good answer.
 
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zubenelgenubi said:
The question is were they giving her lawful orders? And was she breaking any law by knocking on the door? If the answer to both those questions are no, the officers might have some 'splaining to do. If I'm minding my own business, not breaking any law, and some cop comes and tells me to stop doing what I'm doing, the cop can get bent as far as I'm concerned. He better be able to explain to me why I should stop doing something that I have every legal right to do. Simply because he's a cop and he says so is not a good answer, and the threat of the use of violence is really not a good answer.
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There is such a thing as disturbing the peace. Looks to me the cops respectfully gave her every chance to cease and desist.
 
zubenelgenubi

zubenelgenubi

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vantexan said:
There is such a thing as disturbing the peace. Looks to me the cops respectfully gave her every chance to cease and desist.
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Sure, but what does the ordinance say? A charge of "disturbing the peace" is open to both interpretation and abuse. I'm not saying I wouldn't comply with the officer, but if I determined later that he was not in his rights, I would press charges for coercion.
 
scratch

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I'm amazed at the amount of misinformation about events in Georgia in this thread. There is zero voter suppression in my state, I vote in every election and I have never seen anybody turned away from a polling place. The new law added weekend voting days, made drop-off ballot boxes okay after the pandemic is over, shortened the time between runoff elections from 10 weeks to 4. The only real change is a driver's license or state ID number needs to be put on an absentee ballot and all the votes have to be counted none-stop once tabulation starts. The only reason Democrats won two Senate seats was the fact that 427,000 Republicans who voted in the General Election thought fraud went on so they stayed home in the runoff.
 
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vantexan

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zubenelgenubi said:
Sure, but what does the ordinance say? A charge of "disturbing the peace" is open to both interpretation and abuse. I'm not saying I wouldn't comply with the officer, but if I determined later that he was not in his rights, I would press charges for coercion.
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If a press conference is going on and an officer of the law tells you that you are disturbing it and must stop then he's within his rights to arrest you if you refuse to stop. It's a reasonable request and ordinances aren't designed to cover every minutia that might happen. Law officers are given leeway to use judgement.
 
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scratch said:
I'm amazed at the amount of misinformation about events in Georgia in this thread. There is zero voter suppression in my state, I vote in every election and I have never seen anybody turned away from a polling place. The new law added weekend voting days, made drop-off ballot boxes okay after the pandemic is over, shortened the time between runoff elections from 10 weeks to 4. The only real change is a driver's license or state ID number needs to be put on an absentee ballot and all the votes have to be counted none-stop once tabulation starts. The only reason Democrats won two Senate seats was the fact that 427,000 Republicans who voted in the General Election thought fraud went on so they stayed home in the runoff.
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Wasn't aware about the drop boxes. Thought they had eliminated them.
 
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vantexan said:
There is such a thing as disturbing the peace. Looks to me the cops respectfully gave her every chance to cease and desist.
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There is a state law making it illegal to demonstrate inside of the State Capitol. If you want to demonstrate, you have to go outside into the street. Rep. Cannon knew the Governor was giving a press conference and she wanted to put on a scene. She was told several times to stop and she disobeyed law enforcement officers. If you can't obey state laws then risk the consequences. She was just looking for a show and got it.
 
zubenelgenubi

zubenelgenubi

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vantexan said:
If a press conference is going on and an officer of the law tells you that you are disturbing it and must stop then he's within his rights to arrest you if you refuse to stop. It's a reasonable request and ordinances aren't designed to cover every minutia that might happen. Law officers are given leeway to use judgement.
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Can I get them to arrest all the solicitors who knock on my door? Probably not. Double standard, you only get police to help if you are important.
 
zubenelgenubi

zubenelgenubi

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vantexan said:
If a press conference is going on and an officer of the law tells you that you are disturbing it and must stop then he's within his rights to arrest you if you refuse to stop. It's a reasonable request and ordinances aren't designed to cover every minutia that might happen. Law officers are given leeway to use judgement.
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I'm just playing devil's advocate, and probably bringing up better points than anyone who actually supports her would have.
 
newfie

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worldwide said:
A statement from the GA State Patrol troopers:

"Rep. Cannon went inside the stanchions and began knocking on the door. Rep. Cannon was instructed to stop knocking on the door and that Governor Kemp was having a press conference inside. Rep. Cannon continued to knock on the door and was instructed again to stop knocking on the door. She was advised that she was disturbing what was going on inside and if she did not stop, she would be placed under arrest. Rep. Cannon stepped back for a moment and then stepped back up to the door and started knocking on the door again. She was again advised if she did not stop, she would be arrested for obstruction and disturbing the press conference. Rep. Cannon refused to stop knocking on the door. Rep. Cannon was placed under arrest and escorted out of the Capitol."

Not following the instructions of the police typically leads to getting arrested. She was asked politely four times to stop. Why not simply follow instructions?
O.C.G.A. 16-10-24 (2010) 16-10-24. Obstructing or hindering law enforcement officers
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damn same thing the insurrectionists did on jan 6
 
It will be fine

It will be fine

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vantexan said:
If a press conference is going on and an officer of the law tells you that you are disturbing it and must stop then he's within his rights to arrest you if you refuse to stop. It's a reasonable request and ordinances aren't designed to cover every minutia that might happen. Law officers are given leeway to use judgement.
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Poor judgment to drag a black woman elected representative away in handcuffs. It confirms the worst stereotypes of good ole boy southern cops.
 

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