Local 804 Drivers Walked Out
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So your saying it's Hoffa side or TDU side? TDU's significance is to destroy and funnel cash. If Paff held a mail ballot system a lot of people would join.........Just before an election. Hahaha. And that is why he will never hold the same standard as the Teamsters. He gets to bark and smear from the throne. The TDU old guard. Or is it the only guard?
~A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.~
Very quiet on the TDU web these days about 804. 1 article? And listen, TDU has had a black eye since it's inception.
~A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.~
member6045
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To the members who get upset about how the thread changes to TDU needs to understand a few things! Local 804 has never been under TDU reign until Tim came in power! Members are trying to help you understand how TDU ideas has caused major problems here! TDU ideas may work in other parts of the country but 804 has always set the standard for supplemental language in contracts. The rank and file members realize how hard it is to do the job bye the book or how ups wants it done! With that! Members will do things that are not correct and could cause discipline up to discharge. Now! That renegade style that began has caused the company to follow discipline too the letter! Which has caused there own supporters to lose there jobs!!! Suspensions where rare 5-10 years ago! A week suspension was news! Today! Guys have lost 16 months pay! Then brought back to work! Couldn't a week suspension been enough! Is TDU cause that important? Then you have maspeth! Guy is dead wrong! And you know maspeth is your strongest tie and this guy is the link! You put 250 guys in harms way??? Stupid! Now you want to go on TDU interpretation of the contract? Not the people that constructed the language? Oh boy!
Anonymous 12
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What about Ron Carey?
Stonefish
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You forgot cry baby by Janis Joplin
What is your obsession with Paff?? He gets re-elected for a reason. He is highly intelligent and has been able to affect and piss the old guard since the 70s!! So members reward him. And he deserves it. But he is not alone. If paff was gone, there are others who would continue his good work. You make it all about one man. I guess that is why you and your ilk are so gung ho for Hoffa Jr. You all believe in the "great man" theory of organization. Reality check: great and positive change comes through grass roots mobilization and action. That is why TDU and Ken P are so effective and why they are so feared by the Old Guard. Long after weak "leaders" like Hoffa and Hall fade away, TDU will still be around larger than ever, pushing to make this union stronger, more democratic and more representative of the rank and file!!
member6045
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Ron did affiliate himself with TDU! Primarily due to the number of members in the Midwest and south! Solely for international reasons of getting votes! Ron knew how badly it effects and costliness of wildcat strikes on local levels! Basically he used the group! Took the few good ones out and fled the group!!
What you dont get is that this local has always been a reform local, excluding the dreary 10 years of the old guard Redmond crew (1998-2009).
From 1968 until 1998, Ron Carey was the poster boy for reform. Though he never joined TDU, he was a supporter of the group and they were a big supporter of him.
You speak of "TDU ideas": rank and file empowerment and involvement...reducing officer salaries and perks...mobilizing the membership to demand stronger contracts...ending business unionism and go along to get along policies...holding management's feet to the fire. These are ideas TDU stands for. They are also ideas Ron Carey stood for.
Old guard forces also called Ron Carey a "renegade" in the 1970s. That renegade went on to become our first IBT President.
"Suspensions were rarer 5-10 years ago"?? What world do you live in?? When our current E/B took over they inherited a huge back log of hundreds of discharges and suspensions from Redmond's crew.
Now you are saying that the initial driver that was fired was "dead wrong". That is a typical blame the victim answer by a political hack who only wants to embarass or destroy the E/B because his boys lost the last 2 local elections. Get over it!!
Ron ran in 1991 with a slate full of TDU candidates. He attended TDU conventions from 1991 through 1997. He never put them down or disparaged them. They were of the same mindset. As for the wildcats, he too called few in his day. Stop the revisionist history!! This isnt fox "news"!!
not what i voted for
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You are such a big bag of wind. TDU members ran against Ron Carey in his own Local. i am sure some of them are reading this and i wish they would come on here and let people like you know. They had balls, they didn't have a prayer but they stood up against what they didn't like in Local 804.
804brown, I have one single question; were all those members working pending arbitration?
Most were working but several were discharged on the street waiting for an arbitration date.
Can you give me a number of how many were discharged on the street and how many were waiting?
No, that was like 5 years ago. Nevertheless, hundreds were on the docket back then. Not sure how many are on now.
Ok, but do you think that it was anything like 250 discharges or suspensions at once?
250 at once, never. But then again no one since Ron Carey has done such a bold move against management.
Again, I think Liam has Art 18 sec 2 on his side of this which makes these WRONGFUL discharges!!
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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"Bold" is not the word I would use to describe his decision.
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member6045
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If Ron put the members first! What's being done now!
