Make the Teamsters dangerous again

[Whither]

One question at a time.
IBEW allowed forced overtime in the coal mines of East Texas ,per contract.
USW had the same language when I was a structural fitter.
Also, I worked a second job when I was a fitter. Newly married and dead ass broke.
4hrs sleep was a lot for me back then and until the day I retired from UPS.
While working for UPS I had a side business doing custom metal work.

I don't understand how you skipped from the IBEW to the USW to UPS. You were wiring coal mines, then became a structural fitter, then became a pkg car driver??? If so, that's a wild trajectory. Effectively 3 apprenticeships (of course, progression at UPS was much shorter in your time, but it still takes time to get your bearings in pkg car even though we're 'just driving around and humping boxes' as the naysayers put it).

I don't know why you were dead ass broke, but again, working that much of your life away is terrible.

Obviously, you have not read my past posts.

Obviously not. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think you've been around much in the past couple years since I joined.

In 1979 I found the land and the lifestyle I wished to live.
Basic hard work, planning, and investing paid off for me being able to retire at 60 totally debt free.

Kudos, I hope you've been enjoying it.

Legal guarantees?
Opp's, if you do not belong to the union, in certain parts of the USA, you can not work for the company.
Other part's of the country your life is in danger for not joining.
I need another beer while you contemplate who really controls your life.

Oh damn, are you saying the IBT controls my life, and not capital/the damned 'market'? My mind is blown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For the record, I'm in a RTW state and my choice to join the union was a no-brainer. My problem with the Teamsters is not the very menial dues I pay LMAO. You're a fool if you think UPS would offer the wages (company-paid benefits are also wages) they do without the union, let alone the job security, etc.

You should drink another beer and consider why in the hell you had to work '7 days a week for 40 years' in order to retire. That's miserable.

 

[satellitedriver]

I don't understand how you skipped from the IBEW to the USW to UPS. You were wiring coal mines, then became a structural fitter, then became a pkg car driver??? If so, that's a wild trajectory. Effectively 3 apprenticeships (of course, progression at UPS was much shorter in your time, but it still takes time to get your bearings in pkg car even though we're 'just driving around and humping boxes' as the naysayers put it).

I don't know why you were dead ass broke, but again, working that much of your life away is terrible.

Obviously not. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think you've been around much in the past couple years since I joined.

Kudos, I hope you've been enjoying it.


Oh damn, are you saying the IBT controls my life, and not capital/the damned 'market'? My mind is blown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For the record, I'm in a RTW state and my choice to join the union was a no-brainer. My problem with the Teamsters is not the very menial dues I pay LMAO. You're a fool if you think UPS would offer the wages (company-paid benefits are also wages) they do without the union, let alone the job security, etc.

You should drink another beer and consider why in the hell you had to work '7 days a week for 40 years' in order to retire. That's miserable.

Yes, you do not understand.
Wild trajectory, I have to agree.
Too really mind "feek"you, "Gaelic", from 1971 to 1978 I was a netmaker on the Gulf Coast, while learning my craft at metal work.
That's a whole nother story.
Never wired anything working under IBEW. I was a trouble shooter mechanic/ dragline specialist in the coal mines.
UPS was the easiest job I ever had in my life.
Never did I apprenticeship on any union job.
Miserable?
I worked 7 days a week to provide for my family's future security.
I have traveled from Canada to the Yucatan.
East Coast to West coast in America.
Circumnavigated all of Britain and parts of Scotland in a car.
Every major and minor road in Ireland.
Damn, if my life is miserable than others must be flying high.
At least, I have a 30pk in the fridge to ease my discomfort.
I am not saying IBT controls your life, you just let it.
Time to pop a top.

 

[Whither]

Miserable?
I worked 7 days a week to provide for my family's future security.

Amazing what people are willing to accept and still imagine that they're 'free'.

I had done as much traveling -- on a shoestring, and occasionally hopping freight trains -- by my late 20s. But it's not about the miles either one of us covered, that doesn't really matter.

I am not saying IBT controls your life, you just let it.
Time to pop a top.

I see you have no comments re: the god-blessed 'market'/capital. What is your wisdom? Disband the union so that we can finally enjoy the great freedom of 'at will' employment and negotiate our wages and conditions as individuals lol?

 

[satellitedriver]

Amazing what people are willing to accept and still imagine that they're 'free'.

I had done as much traveling -- on a shoestring, and occasionally hopping freight trains -- by my late 20s. But it's not about the miles either one of us covered, that doesn't really matter.

I see you have no comments re: the god-blessed 'market'/capital. What is your wisdom? Disband the union so that we can finally enjoy the great freedom of 'at will' employment and negotiate our wages and conditions as individuals lol?

My wisdom is let me live my life and I will let you live yours.
Yes, I have no comment about the thread about god-blessed 'market'/capital.
Why should I?
Choose to work for an employer, or don't.
Damned simple.
I accept the freedom of my choices in life and I accept that imagination that I have a choice.
I have negotiated my wage and working conditions as an individual in the past.
Glad you were able to travel, sad that it did not broaden your horizons.

 

[Whither]

My wisdom is let me live my life and I will let you live yours.

Sounds good gramps. Now if you'd stop giving unsolicited advice on a thread re: a union you obviously didn't/don't give 2 craps about, that'd be much appreciated, thanks in advance.

 

[burrheadd]

Company could get major concessions.
Everyone is fat and sassy and you pusses would NEVER strike again.

@Frankie callin you boys out

 

[burrheadd]

Your attitude is what makes the union weak.
It is all based on money and who controls it.
It is a symbiotic relationship between workers and the company.
Mouthing off with the words, "idiots" and "morons" is a self explanatory statement of your mind set.
Unions have a deep purpose that has little to do with the confrontations involved 70yrs ago.
I believe in unionism, not the tough guy attitude.
Ask Hoffa, if you can find the 55 gallon barrel he was crammed into.

This is coming from an admitted SCAB so take it with a grain of salt

 

[burrheadd]

I don't understand how you skipped from the IBEW to the USW to UPS. You were wiring coal mines, then became a structural fitter, then became a pkg car driver??? If so, that's a wild trajectory. Effectively 3 apprenticeships (of course, progression at UPS was much shorter in your time, but it still takes time to get your bearings in pkg car even though we're 'just driving around and humping boxes' as the naysayers put it).

I don't know why you were dead ass broke, but again, working that much of your life away is terrible.

Obviously not. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think you've been around much in the past couple years since I joined.

Kudos, I hope you've been enjoying it.


Oh damn, are you saying the IBT controls my life, and not capital/the damned 'market'? My mind is blown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For the record, I'm in a RTW state and my choice to join the union was a no-brainer. My problem with the Teamsters is not the very menial dues I pay LMAO. You're a fool if you think UPS would offer the wages (company-paid benefits are also wages) they do without the union, let alone the job security, etc.

You should drink another beer and consider why in the hell you had to work '7 days a week for 40 years' in order to retire. That's miserable.

BOOM!!!

 

[542thruNthru]

Wow, @Whither just eviscerated every single "argument" made. So much so that his opponent tapped out with a "lets just agree to disagree" line.

Well done sir.

 

[I have been lurking]

Yes, you do not understand.
Wild trajectory, I have to agree.
Too really mind "feek"you, "Gaelic", from 1971 to 1978 I was a netmaker on the Gulf Coast, while learning my craft at metal work.
That's a whole nother story.
Never wired anything working under IBEW. I was a trouble shooter mechanic/ dragline specialist in the coal mines.
UPS was the easiest job I ever had in my life.
Never did I apprenticeship on any union job.
Miserable?
I worked 7 days a week to provide for my family's future security.
I have traveled from Canada to the Yucatan.
East Coast to West coast in America.
Circumnavigated all of Britain and parts of Scotland in a car.
Every major and minor road in Ireland.
Damn, if my life is miserable than others must be flying high.
At least, I have a 30pk in the fridge to ease my discomfort.
I am not saying IBT controls your life, you just let it.
Time to pop a top.

My wisdom is let me live my life and I will let you live yours.
Yes, I have no comment about the thread about god-blessed 'market'/capital.
Why should I?
Choose to work for an employer, or don't.
Damned simple.
I accept the freedom of my choices in life and I accept that imagination that I have a choice.
I have negotiated my wage and working conditions as an individual in the past.
Glad you were able to travel, sad that it did not broaden your horizons.

K boomer

 

[UPSER1987]

Sounds good gramps. Now if you'd stop giving unsolicited advice on a thread re: a union you obviously didn't/don't give 2 craps about, that'd be much appreciated, thanks in advance.

Lol….you asked him a series of questions then ask him to stop giving unsolicited advance. Lol…again …talking out of both sides of your ass gets the union where it’s at now. Nowhere lol.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Lol….you asked him a series of questions then ask him to stop giving unsolicited advance. Lol…again …talking out of both sides of your ass gets the union where it’s at now. Nowhere lol.

I think you left out some important information from that analysis.

 

[UPSER1987]

I think you left out some important information from that analysis.

Please see post #275. Thank you.

 

[satellitedriver]

Sounds good gramps. Now if you'd stop giving unsolicited advice on a thread re: a union you obviously didn't/don't give 2 craps about, that'd be much appreciated, thanks in advance.

Not advice, just an open honest testament of my life.
You are welcome, in arrears.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Please see post #275. Thank you.

What part of post #275 did you interpret to be a solicitation of advice regarding the Teamsters?

 

[Whither]

Lol….you asked him a series of questions then ask him to stop giving unsolicited advance. Lol…again …talking out of both sides of your ass gets the union where it’s at now. Nowhere lol.

Between us, I think you're just a little bit anxious that the Teamsters might be coming back. You don't have to admit it. Your bungling attempts at 'demoralizing' us have already betrayed it. Be honest: the thought of well-organized, self-respecting, and militant Teamsters who understand the book, who are ready to demand far more from the company in 2023 -- all that makes you shudder.

If the anxiety gets worse, you might consult a therapist or else try and make friends with a union-busting guru.

 

[Whither]

I think you left out some important information from that analysis.

The M.O. of @UPSER1987 in a nutshell: "How can I discourage the Teamsters and ensure that the union remains docile?"

 

[Coldworld]

This is coming from an admitted SCAB so take it with a grain of salt

Afaic.. union dues are the best value that I have ever had to pay for anything…hell, even if I had to pay double I would still think it was a great deal.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

The M.O. of @UPSER1987 in a nutshell: "How can I discourage the Teamsters and ensure that the union remains docile?"

He really doesn't seem to have a high opinion of anyone. I feel sorry for people like that.

 

[satellitedriver]

Between us, I think you're just a little bit anxious that the Teamsters might be coming back. You don't have to admit it. Your bungling attempts at 'demoralizing' us have already betrayed it. Be honest: the thought of well-organized, self-respecting, and militant Teamsters who understand the book, who are ready to demand far more from the company in 2023 -- all that makes you shudder.

If the anxiety gets worse, you might consult a therapist or else try and make friends with a union-busting guru.

In the idiotic poorly worded diatribe two words stand out.
militant Teamsters
Rarely in recorded human history has a militant faction improved what it destroyed.
America is one of the only shining examples.
Be honest with yourself and respect the company that pays for your wage and benefits.
Demand all you want, but be prepared to preform your duty to earn your wage and not bitch that you are "over" worked and under paid.
An other set of key words in your missive,
Teamsters "might" be coming back
Sounds like doubt and anxiety on your part.
Maybe your local has a safe place and a therapist to consult you.
No need to bust the teamsters.
They have done a great job in doing it to themselves over the last 4 decades.