Negotiations Update (April 19, 2013)

[sortaisle]

The first wave of 22.3s were not created for 2 and a half years. Some say Hoffa doesn't enforce the contract yet Carey didn't force UPS to create the jobs either.

The language was too sketchy. No real enforcement in keeping the jobs in the same building. We "moved" around...15 jobs to Seattle/Portland at one point, but in my building I can kind of understand...our shifts are sometimes 2 hours apart and it's difficult to combine them and not have them standing around. There's only so many smalls bags to fold and responding one can do. Most of our jobs are night/preload. They're the only shifts that almost run into each other. And somehow UPS gets away with subcontracting the car wash. When I worked in Portland they were combo jobs. They had a guy they hired before that who washed the trucks and he did it for 20 years before UPS made the jobs combo. He was offered a combo job on the spot so he wouldn't get fired. That was classy imo and something that UPS doesn't really do much of anymore.

 

[realbrown1]

The first wave of 22.3s were not created for 2 and a half years. Some say Hoffa doesn't enforce the contract yet Carey didn't force UPS to create the jobs either.

Stink, this is you chance to prove how smart you are.
What date did the 97 contract get ratified and what date did Carey resign.
Then tell me how he could enforce 22.3 if he is out of the teamsters?

 

[Asskicker]

Our carwashers are all combo guys. And as far as the contract language on these jobs...just another Hoffa friend-up. Our local has better language then the National language on most things and they get away with far more BS under the National Agreement. I believe they are working to strengthen that language this time around.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

This is your chance to prove how smart you are.

Didn't I cover everything in my previous post ??



-Bug-

 

[stink219]

The first wave of 22.3s were not created for 2 and a half years. Some say Hoffa doesn't enforce the contract yet Carey didn't force UPS to create the jobs either.

Stink, this is you chance to prove how smart you are.
What date did the 97 contract get ratified and what date did Carey resign.
Then tell me how he could enforce 22.3 if he is out of the teamsters?

It was November but I'm guessing the 20th only because I was taking dump when I heard the news and it was right after my first 3 way. Didn't Carey appoint Jere Nash to run his campaign? And your telling me Carey had no knowledge about embezzlement?

 

[stink219]

TDU always posts a link to the LM-2's.



-Bug-

Very stupid of them. Want to laugh? Just look up any local that TDU has run for their term. Look up their LM2s, which is online, and see the financial disaster that they cause. It's laughable.
Look at Sandy

2012
Assets. $171,406
Receipts. $669,108
Disbursement $648,229
Members. 1034

2005
Assets. $1,763,553
Receipts. $2,338,963
Disbursement $2,375,986
Members. 1272

Where did all the money go?? She says for her organizing campaign but I still see a major decline in her membership. So once again, where's the money?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Look at Sandy.

"On the surface, Pope's campaign looks virtually hopeless." And it was.


But, at least she was identified for what she is.... Along with TDU.


Power to the people.... comrade.


New hope for the Teamsters | SocialistWorker.org

 

[Inthegame]

It is a defined benefit because UPS is still contributing to the fund. Instead of it being in their name, thus on their books, it'll be defined in the contract still as a benefit paid to us through the union. What it does is gives the union that many more thousands of employees to negotiate with when they look for insurance. The drivers have been on a union benefit for as long as I can remember and it's just as defined as the company plan.

The Union run NON-PROFIT CS Health Fund doesn't buy insurance. They pay claims from fund assets and yes with thousands more participating they'll increase the pool from which they can make those payments. The contribution rates are defined in the CBA's.

 

[Anonymous 10]

It's just a simple question. Why not just answer? Why do those TDUers always run with their tails between their legs? You say 407's wrong? Hardly! Just because you TDUers hide after being proven wrong countlessly by documented facts does not mean your right. Maybe he isn't in a local at all which proves 407's theory of TDU trolls being on here. Talk about a chicken. FYI, TDU is not part of the Tramsters nor are they a union. Democratic? Hardly. They invoke the same rules of governing that they fought against with Pressure. Hippocrates! I'm going out on a limb and say your from local 805 or 396?

Bingo we have a winner.

 

[mamirk69]

Even though this thread has been totally off base and I hope negotiations have not resemble this thread but out of pure entertainment value, since Pope was not a viable option what about Gegare?

 

[stink219]

Even though this thread has been totally off base and I hope negotiations have not resemble this thread but out of pure entertainment value, since Pope was not a viable option what about Gegare?

Far better than Pope. He was a Hoffa guy. Had one last shot to be the boss
He would have done better if he eased up on the personal attacks. IMO

 

[quamba 638]

Not sure what TDU is entirely, but I do remember about five years ago they were outside my hub handing out some flyers and collecting signatures from the part timers for some kind of petition. The next week everyone who signed up had a dollar taken out of their checks... For the entire year! It just said "drive" - $1.00. Good thing they forgot to mention the donating money part. Lots of the guys on my area were upset over that.....

 

[HEVdriver]

First Quarter report Thursday

Let's see how negotiations go when the earnings report comes out in the morning. Should be interesting.

 

[Brownslave688]

Let's see how negotiations go when the earnings report comes out in the morning. Should be interesting.

What's the end date for negotiations this time. Friday? Sat?

 

[IzzyTheNose]

What has he conceded to? We don't have an agreement yet. UPS already reduced the health issue. See this is my problem. Everyone wants info on the contract. So the union informs us that UPS reduced the offer and now people think it's agreed to.

You really don't see cause for concern? I get that you're taking a "wait and see" approach. But to many of us, the simple fact that the company is still at a point where their original proposal is still in tact in some form, is incredibly aggravating to most of us. And it should be.

I've said it already in another post, as have many others, but we should not take any concessions on this contract. NONE. ZERO. We shouldn't lose ANYTHING. You make concessions when the company you work for is failing, the business is losing money, the stock is dropping, and the only way to save your job, is to make financial changes within the company.

None of that is happening with UPS. Business is THRIVING. The Company has profited in the BILLIONS for nearly 10 years, and ecommerce is only GROWING. The hefty raises UPS saw fit to give it's CEO, CFO and COO two years ago were tied to production results. Results we're responsible for.

Now I know you're probably rolling your eyes at this point, because it seems like I'm telling you things you already know. But this is why we have so little patience. All this success the company has been afforded has been from the yield of OUR labor, and they want us to take concessions?

The health care proposal shouldn't have been on the table this long. Period. The Union shouldn't have entertained any offers regarding our health care. Period. The best way (only way, in my opinion) to get the point across that we don't want our benefits to change in any form, was to simply say "If you do not remove your heath care proposal from table, we won't bother showing up."

This would have sent a clear message to the company that we've got some teeth, and that the Union is absolutely looking out for us. But here we are, months after the first proposal which was a complete and utter turd, and now after this later update, we're left with a polished turd.

When this does go to vote, and if I learn we have to pay a dollar more than I'm paying now, then our Union isn't doing its job, they've squandered our bargaining chip, and they're deserving of any and all criticism that follows.

 

[Anonymous 10]

Not sure what TDU is entirely, but I do remember about five years ago they were outside my hub handing out some flyers and collecting signatures from the part timers for some kind of petition. The next week everyone who signed up had a dollar taken out of their checks... For the entire year! It just said "drive" - $1.00. Good thing they forgot to mention the donating money part. Lots of the guys on my area were upset over that.....

That wasn't TDU it was your local.

 

[happybob]

OUR PENSION PLAN IS A DIRECT BENEFIT PLAN WITH A GUARANTEEd monthly payment. iT is administered by professional investors and managed by a board of trustees. This means that changes in investments, payouts, etc... have to be agreed on before they happen. NO RASH DECISIONS! I DDON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE BUT I CONSIDER THIS A LOT WISER THEN AN AMATEUR STEERING THE SHIP. I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO RELY ON A 401 AS THERE PRIMARY RETIREMENT PLAN WHO ARE NOT RETIRING WHEN THEY HOPED TO AND ARE NOT SURE WHEN THEY CAN AFTER ALL THE VOLATILITY IN THE MARKETS.

These so called professional investors have most of the pension plans in trouble with underfunding. I can only assume you want the same professionals to continue running the funds.

 

[Brownslave688]

was to simply say "If you do not remove your heath care proposal from table, we won't bother showing up."
.

They did SAY that. Problem is didn't follow thru.

 

[stink219]

Not sure what TDU is entirely, but I do remember about five years ago they were outside my hub handing out some flyers and collecting signatures from the part timers for some kind of petition. The next week everyone who signed up had a dollar taken out of their checks... For the entire year! It just said "drive" - $1.00. Good thing they forgot to mention the donating money part. Lots of the guys on my area were upset over that.....

It's not the first time TDU collected signatures under the ruse of another name. They should not be trusted.

 

[Brownslave688]

OUR PENSION PLAN IS A DIRECT BENEFIT PLAN WITH A GUARANTEEd monthly payment. iT is administered by professional investors and managed by a board of trustees. This means that changes in investments, payouts, etc... have to be agreed on before they happen. NO RASH DECISIONS! I DDON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE BUT I CONSIDER THIS A LOT WISER THEN AN AMATEUR STEERING THE SHIP. I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO RELY ON A 401 AS THERE PRIMARY RETIREMENT PLAN WHO ARE NOT RETIRING WHEN THEY HOPED TO AND ARE NOT SURE WHEN THEY CAN AFTER ALL THE VOLATILITY IN THE MARKETS.

These so called professional investors have most of the pension plans in trouble with underfunding. I can only assume you want the same professionals to continue running the funds.

Also part of the problem I see is even if these people are professionals they are playing with other people's money. I'm going to be much more careful with MY money as opposed to if someone else gives me their money and says here do what u want with it.