negotiations?
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thedownhillEXPRESS
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Before Obamacare employers didn't have to let employees and their spouses on their health insurance either.
Anonymous 10
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Jim Lampley????
Where you been???
And your post peak part-time job at Wendy's would be even more interesting.
kingOFchester
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I was willing to forgo raises to keep my bennies. Drag it out for five years. Do feel and for the part timers. But any driver voting yes for a raise should seek financial help. They would e screwed no matter how much they make.
Has anyone come up with an individual cost involved with this benefit switch?
kingOFchester
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Good question. I can't answer total added cost for my family.
I do know that I am going from $0 deductible to $400. I know ER visit goes up. I know X-rays and diagnostic goes up.
But all that aside, here is my biggest problem, I am being sold on goods without knowing all the details. All I got was one piece of paper as that is all that has been released. I know that a portion of H&W contribution can be redirected into paying for healthcare. I do not know what happens if healthcare cost has a dramatic spike whether the Union will have to come to us to pay more being that UPS is washing their hands of it.
If I had concrete details, perhaps I would be more willing to go to a plan that is not as good as I have now. A plan that, up to this point, UPS HAD to provide me regardless of the increases in cost.
Its all in the details, details that we do not know. I don't gamble, and as far as I can see this is a gamble. I need to be clear, as you will twist my words. Its a gamble for me, because I, meaning me, do not have the exact details of the new healthcare.
kingOFchester
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Not going to bash you for your decision to always go for the raise. I will respond with reasons why I would not always opt for the raise.
I do not want to open the door to healthcare being cut. I want the healthcare to be contractually provided by UPS to guarantee no cost to the rank and file. I would rather know my exact pay, benefits and coverage. I do not feel comfortable voting yes on something that does not lay out the exact cost and projected cost. Family of six, over 5 years, with no financial detail....... Nah, not that hungry for money today to open the door to possibly paying more tomorrow.
Further more, Part Timers will be taking a pay cut when you factor in the added cost of healthcare, or at the least projected cost of healthcare. There are more ways to skin a cat. If UPS wants to save money on healthcare, the union and UPS could have wording in the contract that allows part timers to opt out of healthcare for a bump in pay. I know a sizable group that are in college on their parents plan. Some of their parents work for UPS. I know part timers that are married to drivers. How much money is being wasted in that situation? There is one creative way to keep more brothers and sisters happy.
Also, it isn't all about healthcare and raises. There is also the issue of the entire contract that I do not like.
I will take this one step further, I would consider taking the new plan with these two stipulations. One, I get to read the entire plan details. Two, UPS provides it contractually.
Nimnim
The Nim
Yeah, I'd forgo raises to keep complete no cost healthcare. As a PTer I'd only pick up probably another 1k a year, but I could easily spend more than that if I had a wife and a child with the no detail insurance I'm facing. The FTers as a whole won't be effected by the insurance change so their 10k a year raise looks great. It's the PTers that are taking the hit.
Edit: and don't even think of mentioning "part time isn't meant to be livable" because many PTers that would take a hit from the insurance already work other jobs that might not provide insurance. I'm not a fool, if I decided to start a family there's no way I'd only rely on a PT wage, even one that UPS provides.
kingOFchester
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From September 2012:
"We want to maintain healthcare" Hoffa.
Maintain: to keep in an existing state (as of repair, efficiency, or validity) : preserve from failure or decline. WEBSTER.com
Guess they failed at that.
Teamsters President Hoffa Discusses UPS Negotiations, Pensions - YouTube
"We want to maintain healthcare" Hoffa.
Maintain: to keep in an existing state (as of repair, efficiency, or validity) : preserve from failure or decline. WEBSTER.com
Guess they failed at that.
Teamsters President Hoffa Discusses UPS Negotiations, Pensions - YouTube
kingOFchester
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kingOFchester
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Sniff sniff. Do I smell something?
