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[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Double fat chance.

Would be like you wanting to transfer to Upstate’s terminal.

Hey brother.

 

[59 Dano]

And they fed us stuff with high fructose corn syrup and partially hydrogenated vegetable oil. Both of which have been proven to be a factor in heart disease, diabetes, and obesity. But oh great swami you know all, have got it all figured out.

Yeah, yeah. Not your fault, I understand.

 

[59 Dano]

Look at the huge corporations that rely on labor intensive work and show me one outside of unionized UPS that pays well to it's rank and file? Come on, enlighten this simpleton. Just another reason republicans have turned a blind eye to illegal immigration, it holds wages down. Can't you just admit that it's an exploitative system that you embrace so willingly?

Corporations have figured out over the past few decades that it's usually better to automate than to rely on labor, which is why non-labor intensive jobs are growing in number and labor intensive jobs aren't.

To say that the system is exploitative is to ignore reality.

Where would they be without the poor masses eating their processed food? Geez you act like I'm responsible for all of this. As I've said already, I am eating better now, have learned a lot over the years, but that still doesn't take away from the fact that a lot of poor get by eating on the run between jobs or are too tired at the end of the day to want to cook beyond throwing a frozen dinner into the microwave. And of course your answer is to attack them for being poor. Jackass.

I make comments about the choices they make and point out that they're responsible for them. You whine.

 

[59 Dano]

You are going on and on about how I should've known better but a lot of info that's available now wasn't 35 years ago. A lot of things are being phased out of processed food that we were chomping down 10 years ago. You don't make any concessions, just want to feel superior.

We all knew that it's better to eat less fat and more vegetables 35 years ago. We all knew that too much added sugar was a bad thing 35 years ago. We all knew what junk food was 35 years ago. You keep making all these silly excuses and they make you look stupid.

 

[vantexan]

Corporations have figured out over the past few decades that it's usually better to automate than to rely on labor, which is why non-labor intensive jobs are growing in number and labor intensive jobs aren't.

To say that the system is exploitative is to ignore reality.



I make comments about the choices they make and point out that they're responsible for them. You whine.

And I point out the obvious that people on the go eat fast food and much of what is causing the health issues is in the highly processed food. Your answer is they're poor because of personal failings and their choice in food just reflects their innate inferiority and why they're poor. You're a jerk, and a snob, who has on numerous occasions here either directly or indirectly suggested you belong to an intellectually and morally superior group. It's a trait I've seen too many times in FedEx management and possibly the single biggest reason I loathed working there. I held up my end of the bargain with them, but it became painfully obvious that too many of them saw us as sheep to be fleeced for their benefit. Hats off to the honest, decent, hard working ones but they were in the minority.

 

[59 Dano]

People working physical jobs need protein. But better that they were eating steak and skinless baked chicken than hamburgers and pizza. Another thing. Let's say everyone switched to your diet. Prices would go up with demand, something y'all conveniently leave out.

Those higher prices, however, would attract more suppliers to the market, which would push prices lower due to the increases in supply. Something you conveniently leave out.

 

[vantexan]

We all knew that it's better to eat less fat and more vegetables 35 years ago. We all knew that too much added sugar was a bad thing 35 years ago. We all knew what junk food was 35 years ago. You keep making all these silly excuses and they make you look stupid.

We all knew vegetables were good for you. We didn't know high fructose corn syrup wasn't. The rate of obesity is much higher now than 35 years ago and it isn't because people just gorge and gorge. We now know all kinds of things, like the hormones they pump into livestock is detrimental to us. But it doesn't change the fact that in the real world incomes have fallen and people have to work more and more to support families. That makes popping in for a quick bite at fast food joints attractive and in case you haven't noticed those places are thriving everywhere. To suggest their health issues and their wealth issues are a matter of character flaws without any regard to the financial and time stress they deal with makes you look stupid you arrogant prig.

 

[vantexan]

Those higher prices, however, would attract more suppliers to the market, which would push prices lower due to the increases in supply. Something you conveniently leave out.

If everyone ate, as they should, a mostly vegetable diet the HUGE demand would surely drive prices up. We get a large percentage of our vegetables from Mexico now because unlike wheat you can't grow them year-round up here. And a large percentage of our arable land is dedicated to wheat, corn, soybeans, and cotton. Switching to vegetables would also drive up the prices of those commodities. Economics 101.

 

[MAKAVELI]

If everyone ate, as they should, a mostly vegetable diet the HUGE demand would surely drive prices up. We get a large percentage of our vegetables from Mexico now because unlike wheat you can't grow them year-round up here. And a large percentage of our arable land is dedicated to wheat, corn, soybeans, and cotton. Switching to vegetables would also drive up the prices of those commodities. Economics 101.

We do grow year round. In the winter growers move to the deserts to grow. And a large reason why we import vegetables from Mexico is because we export a lot of produce for higher prices than would be sold here in the States.

 

[59 Dano]

And I point out the obvious that people on the go eat fast food and much of what is causing the health issues is in the highly processed food. Your answer is they're poor because of personal failings and their choice in food just reflects their innate inferiority and why they're poor.

I never said that being poor is a personal failing. It's a culmination of choices. A lot of questionable choices will make you poor and keep you poor. People who make a lot of questionable choices tend to make a lot of questionable choices about their health as well.

Your a jerk, and a snob, who has on numerous occasions here either directly or indirectly suggested you belong to an intellectually and morally superior group.

Nope. Doesn't take a genius.

It's a trait I've seen too many times in FedEx management and possibly the single biggest reason I loathed working there. I held up my end of the bargain with them, but it became painfully obvious that too many of them saw us as sheep to be fleeced for their benefit. Hats off to the honest, decent, hard working ones but they were in the minority.

The obligatory "I did blah blah blah and they didn't" passage.

 

[vantexan]

I never said that being poor is a personal failing. It's a culmination of choices. A lot of questionable choices will make you poor and keep you poor. People who make a lot of questionable choices tend to make a lot of questionable choices about their health as well.



Nope. Doesn't take a genius.
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We do grow year round. In the winter growers move to the deserts to grow. And a large reason why we import vegetables from Mexico is because we export a lot of produce for higher prices than would be sold here in the States.

Yes the San Jaoquin valley is unique. But doesn't address the HUGE demand that would drive up prices because you can't grow enough vegetables year-round in the States to meet that demand and still grow the other crops we do.

 

[59 Dano]

We all knew vegetables were good for you. We didn't know high fructose corn syrup wasn't. The rate of obesity is much higher now than 35 years ago and it isn't because people just gorge and gorge.
We now know all kinds of things, like the hormones they pump into livestock is detrimental to us.

People eat more. HFCS is only marginally worse than other sugars, if at all. And hormones? Really?

To suggest their health issues and their wealth issues are a matter of character flaws without any regard to the financial and time stress they deal with makes you look stupid you arrogant prig.

To suggest I correlate health/wealth issues with one's character makes you look like a goof who has my posts confused with someone else's.

 

[vantexan]

"Those in charge" are aware that relying on poor people is a limitation to their ability to "do better" because poor people typically tend to lack skills and aren't very smart.

Dano: "I never said being poor is a personal failing."

 

[59 Dano]

If everyone ate, as they should, a mostly vegetable diet the HUGE demand would surely drive prices up. We get a large percentage of our vegetables from Mexico now because unlike wheat you can't grow them year-round up here. And a large percentage of our arable land is dedicated to wheat, corn, soybeans, and cotton. Switching to vegetables would also drive up the prices of those commodities. Economics 101.

It would also drive up the value of land that is suitable for farming that isn't being used for farming, making it more likely to be converted to agriculture... driving the prices downward. Economics 102.

 

[vantexan]

It would also drive up the value of land that is suitable for farming that isn't being used for farming, making it more likely to be converted to agriculture... driving the prices downward. Economics 102.

You don't get out much. Show me decent farm land that isn't being used for farming? New Mexico is a good example. Everywhere they have enough water the land is being farmed. I've seen it in extensive travel throughout the State. People live in remote areas because the land along a river is good farm land. And I mean remote.

 

[59 Dano]

Dano: "I never said being poor is a personal failing."

And that point still stands. Lacking skills is the result of choices along with whatever capacity for learning an individual has.

 

[vantexan]

People eat more. HFCS is only marginally worse than other sugars, if at all. And hormones? Really?



To suggest I correlate health/wealth issues with one's character makes you look like a goof who has my posts confused with someone else's.

If you think high fructose corn syrup isn't worse then you obviously don't keep up with the vast amount of info out there documenting otherwise.

 

[vantexan]

And that point still stands. Lacking skills is the result of choices along with whatever capacity for learning an individual has.

Not to mention you think they're stupid. What about people who grow up in an economically depressed area who hang on taking anything they can get? Are they stupid? People who live in large metro areas with options might think it's like that everywhere because it's what they know. In too many places, especially after factories shut down, the only option for most is fast food jobs, maybe FedEx Ground. Of course if all they wanted was a factory job they probably are stupid according to folks like you. Again, happy to use those folks for low paying jobs to make shareholders money, but look down your noses at them for doing so. Arrogance.

 

[59 Dano]

You don't get out much. Show me decent farm land that isn't being used for farming? New Mexico is a good example. Everywhere they have enough water the land is being farmed. I've seen it in extensive travel throughout the State. People live in remote areas because the land along a river is good farm land. And I mean remote.

It's great that you're lecturing a guy who lives in the south and is surrounded by acres and acres of unused farmland (crop prices are too low to justify working the land) about the scarcity of farmland. It doesn't help that NEW FREAKING MEXICO is your example.

 

[59 Dano]

If you think high fructose corn syrup isn't worse then you obviously don't keep up with the vast amount of info out there documenting otherwise.

"In 2007, an expert panel assembled by the University of Maryland's Center for Food, Nutrition and Agriculture Policy reviewed the links between HFCS and obesity and concluded there was no ecological validity in the association between rising body mass indexes (a measure of obesity) and the consumption of HFCS. The panel stated that since the ratio of fructose to glucose had not changed substantially in the United States since the 1960s when HFCS was introduced, the changes in obesity rates were probably not due to HFCS specifically, but rather a greater consumption of calories overall."

"In 2009 the American Medical Association published a review article on HFCS and concluded it was unlikely that HFCS contributed more to obesity or other health conditions than sucrose, and there was insufficient evidence to suggest warning about or restricting use of HFCS or other fructose-containing sweeteners in foods."

"Epidemiological research has suggested that the increase in metabolic disorders like obesity and non-alcoholic fatty liver disease is linked to increased consumption of sugars and/or calories in general and not due to any special effect of HFCS"

"A 2014 systematic review found little evidence for an association between HFCS consumption and liver diseases, enzyme levels or fat content."

"A 2012 review found that fructose did not appear to cause weight gain when it replaced other carbohydrates in diets with similar calories."

"Another study compared similar intakes of honey, white cane sugar, and HFCS, showing similar rises in both blood sugar level and triglycerides."

"Numerous agencies in the United States recommend reducing the consumption of all sugars, including HFCS, without singling it out as presenting extra concerns. "

" The Mayo Clinic cites the American Heart Association's recommendation that women limit the added sugar in their diet to 100 calories a day (~6 teaspoons) and that men limit it to 150 calories a day (~9 teaspoons), noting that there is not enough evidence to support HFCS having more adverse health effects than excess consumption of any other type of sugar."

"The United States departments of Agriculture and Health and Human Services recommendations for a healthy diet state that consumption of all types of added sugars be reduced."

Yawn.