New Recruits Beware

[UnconTROLLed]

OP's story is a real heartbreaker

 

[UnconTROLLed]

Sux that they didn't tell you what flaw u did besides being confrontational to that on road sup, so u can learn from it & move on.

Maybe he was testing u when told to do an unsafe maneuver??? I would've shut it down, unbuckle the seat belt and say, "u back this big brown truck unsafely..."

Exactly why the OP was DQ'd. You learn these 10s and 5s to avoid doing stupid sh...the OP could not resist, even with the fresh knowledge they had

 

[UnconTROLLed]

If there is anything to take from this thread....do the job right and drive / work safely no matter what anyone else tell a you, including mgmt

 

[BiggieBrown]

I'm only accountable for the decisions I make. Deciding to comply with my Instructor was the only choice to make in that moment. He gave me bad advice without holding himself accountable. It's a shared responsibility 360 degrees.

How is it shared responsibility? You're disqualified and he's at work making money lol.

it was your decision.
you were the one behind the wheel, genius. Your foot on the gas, your hands on the wheel.
If he told you to do dounuts I guess you would have done that too?
All I'm seeing from you is excuses.
I'm not saying this isn't a piece of company, it definitely is, but at the end of the day you did something you knew was wrong because someone told you to. Nothing you say can change that and now you don't have a job. Grow up and take some accountability for the decisions you make.

 

[olroadbeech]

My UPS Experience…


Applied online (Temporary Cover Driver) May 2019.


Received an appointment for a tour/interview immediately following.


Passed road test one week following my interview.


Passed DOT exam the next day.


Completed and passed the necessary prequalification courses required for “driver school”.


Attended “driver school”, otherwise known as New Service Provider Training (at a HUB 45 minutes away). Said training was condensed from five to three days and consisted of CBTs, lectures, a driver drill (in a Budget rental van), and three chances to pass the written 5 and 10. Roughly 12 people attended said class and EVERYONE “passed” - even my neighbor, who obviously cheated during the written exam (getting up to go to the bathroom three times in 30 minutes then feverishly writing down his answers thereafter).


My point? Too easy to pass and highly ineffective for ANY new driver. I walked away from driver school with a DOK amounting to nothing more than the 5 and 10 (learned before "driver school") in a pair of pants two inches too high (the only pants that fit from the rumpled selection retrieved from the bottom drawer of a filing cabinet).


I might have learned more “methods” had I attended a five day class or Integrad. Certainly, two more days would have allowed me to COMPLETE the CBTs, especially in light of half the computers freezing on day two. The latter prevented me from completing my DIAD training. I explained this to HR, who assured me that I would have at least three days of DIAD training at the center. I asked if I could access the remaining CBTs from home or at the center, but to no avail. Suffice to say, “driver school” offered little in the way of preparation, but I remained hopeful and tenacious in believing my On Car Supervisor would facilitate my success (ACCORDING TO MY NSPT MANUEL). No such luck. Rather than giving me an opportunity to drive, On Car remained behind the wheel 95% of the time, driving at break neck speed, grabbing the DIAD from my hand, and essentially using me to run-off packages. He didn’t bother to train me on the methods, backing, package selection, or lifting and lowering. He did nothing more than use me as a driver helper. He did; however, find time to insult me in front of a customer, talk to his girlfriend every night while driving home, and boast about his former experience as a beer delivery driver (during which he admittedly drove with a buzz). WTF? That was the moment my On Car Supervisor tarnished his own reputation and when I knew I was friend…ed!


I persisted nonetheless, not only believing the people who repeatedly said they “wanted me to succeed” but most important, believing in myself.


Not knowing what to expect (save the unexpected) I relied on information from HR, who confirmed in an email “The route you will be working with a supervisor is typically the route you will end up driving by yourself once you are fully trained.” This, combined with the guidelines from the NSPT Manuel, implied I would receive 20 training days, during which time I would learn about the methods, and ultimately prove myself with an independent dispatch. Instead, I learned four different routes, including air; barely drove; never took lunch or a break (despite working 13 hour days), but did in fact become highly proficient in learning how NOT to drive and what NOT to do.


In short, my training was a sham. Rather than facilitating my success or attempting to teach, my On Car Supervisor, used me as a driver helper to satisfy someone else’s requested time off.


I was employed before UPS, but quit to pursue my 20 day “training”, only to be told early in the morning on day 20, that I was disqualified on the basis of my “driving” and the decision was final. I reached out to HR in search of an explanation and corroborating evidence to support the decision, given that when I drove alone (to the Airport - the only time I drove alone) I did not experience any injuries or accidents and in fact, drove proficiently and according to protocol. I heard back from HR via a voicemail telling me, “I did look at some of the footage, actually, of you - when you came to stops - you just actually put it in reverse when you missed a stop and you didn’t even check to see if someone was behind you and for reasons like that we cannot have you on the road”.


This sounds reasonably, doesn’t it and is an explanation I would accept if it were TRUE.


However, the fact is that the purported “footage” was that of my On Car Supervisor telling me to back straight down a road after I missed a stop (despite both of us looking). I said to the supervisor, “Wait a minute. There’s a car coming”. The Supervisor said, “Keep going. You don’t have time to dilly dally”.


I shared this directly with HR via phone and email, but to no avail. A few people listened, but ultimately blew me off.



It’s clear to me, based on many of the posts I’ve read here, that UPS never intended to retain my services and that I am one of many external hires to have experienced an unhoped-for outcome (and sabotage).


I realize I have little recourse, and frankly have zero interest in pursuing the matter given the lies, deceit, and total waste of my time - not a culture I want to steep myself in. Not a job worth pursuing, but facts worth sharing for no other reason than telling truth.

I wonder if anyone else has experienced anything similar...

can you condense this post to a 10 word sentence?

 

[Misthios]

can you condense this post to a 10 word sentence?

It ain't my fault. Mommy said I was special.

I tried my best

 

[When In Rome...]

How is it shared responsibility? You're disqualified and he's at work making money lol.

it was your decision.
you were the one behind the wheel, genius. Your foot on the gas, your hands on the wheel.
If he told you to do dounuts I guess you would have done that too?
All I'm seeing from you is excuses.
I'm not saying this isn't a piece of company, it definitely is, but at the end of the day you did something you knew was wrong because someone told you to. Nothing you say can change that and now you don't have a job. Grow up and take some accountability for the decisions you make.

How is it a shared responsibility?

On Car has a linked in page as follows:

Experience

• 
  On Car Supervisor
  UPS Capital
  
• Responsible for the safety and overall performance for UPS service providers

I deleted name and location. I'm not interested in disclosing personal details or defaming another person. But the fact of the matter is that every On Car Supervisor is responsible for the performance of EVERY driver. That's how it's shared! When a commanding officer gives an order, the rookie complies. The commanding officer is held responsible as much as the rookie, especially when said officer has 13 years experience. Enough said!

 

[burrheadd]

My UPS Experience…


Applied online (Temporary Cover Driver) May 2019.


Received an appointment for a tour/interview immediately following.


Passed road test one week following my interview.


Passed DOT exam the next day.


Completed and passed the necessary prequalification courses required for “driver school”.


Attended “driver school”, otherwise known as New Service Provider Training (at a HUB 45 minutes away). Said training was condensed from five to three days and consisted of CBTs, lectures, a driver drill (in a Budget rental van), and three chances to pass the written 5 and 10. Roughly 12 people attended said class and EVERYONE “passed” - even my neighbor, who obviously cheated during the written exam (getting up to go to the bathroom three times in 30 minutes then feverishly writing down his answers thereafter).


My point? Too easy to pass and highly ineffective for ANY new driver. I walked away from driver school with a DOK amounting to nothing more than the 5 and 10 (learned before "driver school") in a pair of pants two inches too high (the only pants that fit from the rumpled selection retrieved from the bottom drawer of a filing cabinet).


I might have learned more “methods” had I attended a five day class or Integrad. Certainly, two more days would have allowed me to COMPLETE the CBTs, especially in light of half the computers freezing on day two. The latter prevented me from completing my DIAD training. I explained this to HR, who assured me that I would have at least three days of DIAD training at the center. I asked if I could access the remaining CBTs from home or at the center, but to no avail. Suffice to say, “driver school” offered little in the way of preparation, but I remained hopeful and tenacious in believing my On Car Supervisor would facilitate my success (ACCORDING TO MY NSPT MANUEL). No such luck. Rather than giving me an opportunity to drive, On Car remained behind the wheel 95% of the time, driving at break neck speed, grabbing the DIAD from my hand, and essentially using me to run-off packages. He didn’t bother to train me on the methods, backing, package selection, or lifting and lowering. He did nothing more than use me as a driver helper. He did; however, find time to insult me in front of a customer, talk to his girlfriend every night while driving home, and boast about his former experience as a beer delivery driver (during which he admittedly drove with a buzz). WTF? That was the moment my On Car Supervisor tarnished his own reputation and when I knew I was friend…ed!


I persisted nonetheless, not only believing the people who repeatedly said they “wanted me to succeed” but most important, believing in myself.


Not knowing what to expect (save the unexpected) I relied on information from HR, who confirmed in an email “The route you will be working with a supervisor is typically the route you will end up driving by yourself once you are fully trained.” This, combined with the guidelines from the NSPT Manuel, implied I would receive 20 training days, during which time I would learn about the methods, and ultimately prove myself with an independent dispatch. Instead, I learned four different routes, including air; barely drove; never took lunch or a break (despite working 13 hour days), but did in fact become highly proficient in learning how NOT to drive and what NOT to do.


In short, my training was a sham. Rather than facilitating my success or attempting to teach, my On Car Supervisor, used me as a driver helper to satisfy someone else’s requested time off.


I was employed before UPS, but quit to pursue my 20 day “training”, only to be told early in the morning on day 20, that I was disqualified on the basis of my “driving” and the decision was final. I reached out to HR in search of an explanation and corroborating evidence to support the decision, given that when I drove alone (to the Airport - the only time I drove alone) I did not experience any injuries or accidents and in fact, drove proficiently and according to protocol. I heard back from HR via a voicemail telling me, “I did look at some of the footage, actually, of you - when you came to stops - you just actually put it in reverse when you missed a stop and you didn’t even check to see if someone was behind you and for reasons like that we cannot have you on the road”.


This sounds reasonably, doesn’t it and is an explanation I would accept if it were TRUE.


However, the fact is that the purported “footage” was that of my On Car Supervisor telling me to back straight down a road after I missed a stop (despite both of us looking). I said to the supervisor, “Wait a minute. There’s a car coming”. The Supervisor said, “Keep going. You don’t have time to dilly dally”.


I shared this directly with HR via phone and email, but to no avail. A few people listened, but ultimately blew me off.



It’s clear to me, based on many of the posts I’ve read here, that UPS never intended to retain my services and that I am one of many external hires to have experienced an unhoped-for outcome (and sabotage).


I realize I have little recourse, and frankly have zero interest in pursuing the matter given the lies, deceit, and total waste of my time - not a culture I want to steep myself in. Not a job worth pursuing, but facts worth sharing for no other reason than telling truth.

I wonder if anyone else has experienced anything similar...

Drivings not for everyone

 

[burrheadd]

I don't have any intention of pursing another interview.

You’d make an awesome part-time sup

 

[burrheadd]

I drove to the Airport (50 minutes each way) alone during Amazon week. Nothing eventful happened. I traveled round trip safely and on-time. It was my only chance to apply the training and prove myself. No injuries. No accidents. I mentioned that to my On Car Sup and DM the morning of my DQ. It fell on deaf ears.

Good job

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Good job

It's probably only 3 miles away
LMAO

 

[Misthios]

How is it a shared responsibility?

On Car has a linked in page as follows:

Experience

• 
  On Car Supervisor
  UPS Capital
  
• Responsible for the safety and overall performance for UPS service providers

I deleted name and location. I'm not interested in disclosing personal details or defaming another person. But the fact of the matter is that every On Car Supervisor is responsible for the performance of EVERY driver. That's how it's shared! When a commanding officer gives an order, the rookie complies. The commanding officer is held responsible as much as the rookie, especially when said officer has 13 years experience. Enough said!

Man if you aren't trolling then you have got to be the epitome of millennial entitlement syndrome. The driver sup told you to make an extremely unsafe and stupid maneuver. If you followed that's on you. Just like in the military (which I've served but I doubt you've served outside of call of duty) you can refuse an order that is unethical or risks life limb or eyesight. Common sense would have dictated golly gee wilickers probably shouldn't execute such a long back off of a busy road or any road of that matter unless necessary. If that same supe has told you to drive your truck off the nearest bridge to reach that next day air on time would you? Actually don't answer that because obviously the answer would look out below.

 

[UnconTROLLed]

OP was tested and failed. Next

 

[Oak]

How is it a shared responsibility?

On Car has a linked in page as follows:

Experience

• 
  On Car Supervisor
  UPS Capital
  
• Responsible for the safety and overall performance for UPS service providers

I deleted name and location. I'm not interested in disclosing personal details or defaming another person. But the fact of the matter is that every On Car Supervisor is responsible for the performance of EVERY driver. That's how it's shared! When a commanding officer gives an order, the rookie complies. The commanding officer is held responsible as much as the rookie, especially when said officer has 13 years experience. Enough said!

It seems pretty obvious this on car decided he didn't want to be responsible for you. It's just that simple.

 

[Zowert]

You seem too educated to be a UPS driver anyway.

Finish your Master’s degree and get into a career that doesn’t break your back.

 

[RolloTony Brown Town]

How is it a shared responsibility?

On Car has a linked in page as follows:

Experience

• 
  On Car Supervisor
  UPS Capital
  
• Responsible for the safety and overall performance for UPS service providers

I deleted name and location. I'm not interested in disclosing personal details or defaming another person. But the fact of the matter is that every On Car Supervisor is responsible for the performance of EVERY driver. That's how it's shared! When a commanding officer gives an order, the rookie complies. The commanding officer is held responsible as much as the rookie, especially when said officer has 13 years experience. Enough said!

On roads are responsible for drivers’ safety. On road disqualified you. Sounds like he didn’t think you had the ability. Whether you want to own any of that is up to you.

 

[allahuakbar]

A lot of big paragraphs to sum up you couldn’t handle it.

 

[watdaflock?]

tl;dr