No double time over 60

[zubenelgenubi]

The contract also says that UPS can inrease to 70 due to acts of God or emergency conditions.

With approval from the union. And even then they'd have to offer from the top, force from the bottom to go over 60.

The original question is whether the company must pay double time over 60. @Bubblehead seems to have suggested (or I inferred as much from his post) that they don't have to pay double time if they do not get approval from the union to start using the 70 hour rule.

If the company unilaterally switches to the 70 hour rule, they violate the contract. If they do not switch to the 70 hour rule, and force drivers to go over 60, they violate DOT regs. That is, unless hours over 60 are performed in non-driving capacities, in which case they may not be violating the contract by not paying double time, and likely are not violating DOT if they meet all the other rules.

 

[542thruNthru]

How can the company force over 60? Are they making people work inside? Or is DOT not enforcing HOS for now?

Forced helper.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Forced helper.

I figured it would have to be non-driving. In which case I agree, unfortunately, that the double time doesn't apply. Have they just thrown out social distancing too?

 

[Mugarolla]

I figured it would have to be non-driving. In which case I agree, unfortunately, that the double time doesn't apply.

You are correct.

Have they just thrown out social distancing too

Social distancing....whenever possible...and not necessarily always.

 

[MyTripisCut]

Social distancing....whenever possible...and not necessarily always.

How’s that? If I can’t have 6 feet recommended space than I want whoever is on car with me tested with immediate results. Whoever let’s the company force less social distance is truly a weak minded fool.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

I figured it would have to be non-driving. In which case I agree, unfortunately, that the double time doesn't apply.

You are correct.

I looked, I don't see language that specifies the work that qualifies for 2x pay. It simply reads, "Any regular or Article 22.4 package car driver who volunteers or is forced to work over sixty (60) hours in a week pursuant to this paragraph will be compensated at double-time for those hours." I dgaf what you're doing, it's double-time if you're over 60.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I looked, I don't see language that specifies the work that qualifies for 2x pay. It simply reads, "Any regular or Article 22.4 package car driver who volunteers or is forced to work over sixty (60) hours in a week pursuant to this paragraph will be compensated at double-time for those hours." I dgaf what you're doing, it's double-time if you're over 60.

They cannot force you to work over 60 hours
Unless it's during peak

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

They cannot force you to work over 60 hours
Unless it's during peak

I don't see that either.

"The Company shall not change the DOT sixty (60) hours in seven (7) days to the seventy (70) hours in eight (8) days rule for package drivers except at Peak. With prior approval of the Company’s President of Labor Relations and the Teamster’s Package Division Director, the DOT standard may also be changed if required due to Acts of God or emergencies creating service disruptions."

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I'm telling you anything over 60 hours is voluntary.
I'll have @542thruNthru dig it up later for you

 

[oldngray]

I'm telling you anything over 60 hours is voluntary.
I'll have @542thruNthru dig it up later for you

Supposed to only be at peak but if the union OKs it they can change it anytime.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

I'm telling you anything over 60 hours is voluntary.
I'll have @542thruNthru dig it up later for you

I know what you're telling me, and I don't disagree that should be the case. That said, if the teamster package division director has agreed with labor that we are in a state of emergency, it seems we're ed.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I know what you're telling me, and I don't disagree that should be the case. That said, if the teamster package division director has agreed with labor that we are in a state of emergency, it seems we're ed.

Always keep a sick day or two in the bank my friend

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Supposed to only be at peak but if the union OKs it they can change it anytime.

Then those guys should get voted out

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Always keep a sick day or two in the bank my friend

I don't leave home without 'em.

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

I would still like to see a delivery driver post a photo of their "logbook"...

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

I would still like to see a delivery driver post a photo of their "logbook"...

Why would a package car driver have a log book?

 

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

Don’t worry guys the union will let UPS walk all over you. It’s funny to see both pre-load and drivers being pushed around by UPS. UPS is trying to mandate that ALL drivers and loaders work a 6 day work week, no matter who you are!

 

[zubenelgenubi]

I looked, I don't see language that specifies the work that qualifies for 2x pay. It simply reads, "Any regular or Article 22.4 package car driver who volunteers or is forced to work over sixty (60) hours in a week pursuant to this paragraph will be compensated at double-time for those hours." I dgaf what you're doing, it's double-time if you're over 60.

It says the company has to change to the 70 hr rule. "Pursuant to this paragraph". But I hope the challenge causes that to be interpreted differently. If our elected officials could leverage the public support for us "essential workers", maybe they could get the company, or an arbitrator to agree to an employee friendly interpretation.

 

[Mike cthrubs]

Well, you can't work over 60....unless they enact the 70/8 rule...sooo.....View attachment 298288

Actually you can work over 60 hours. There is several different ways you can do it and not be a dot violation

 

[Mike cthrubs]

Actually you can work over 60 hours. There is several different ways you can do it and not be a dot violation

14 mon
14 tues
Day off Wednesday
14 thurs
14 fri
14 sat
thats 70 and.not a dot violation under the 60/7 workweek