Nord Stream pipelines

[DriveInDriveOut]

Ukrainian offensives aren't at the point at which they'd even be having that conversation yet.

Ukraine in maps: Tracking the war with Russia

As Russian forces make slow progress in eastern Ukraine, Ukraine's military stages a surprise cross-border attack.

www.bbc.com

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You didn't answer the question.

 

[Box Ox]

If Ukrainians are willing to fight endlessly over Crimea, then why weren't they already doing it?

Ukrainian offensives aren't at the point at which they'd even be having that conversation yet.

Ukraine in maps: Tracking the war with Russia

As Russian forces make slow progress in eastern Ukraine, Ukraine's military stages a surprise cross-border attack.

www.bbc.com

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You didn't answer the question.

I might need your help to understand how I didn't.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I might need your help to understand how I didn't.

Russia has had Crimea for 8 years.
Read my question again.

 

[Box Ox]

Russia has had Crimea for 8 years.
Read my question again.

I have. Ukrainian offensives haven't made it that far yet.

 

[newfie]

Ukrainian offensives aren't at the point at which they'd even be having that conversation yet.

Ukraine in maps: Tracking the war with Russia

As Russian forces make slow progress in eastern Ukraine, Ukraine's military stages a surprise cross-border attack.

www.bbc.com

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Agreed . the momentum is presently in their favor

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I have. Ukrainian offensives haven't made it that far yet.

So you're saying these Ukrainians just recently decided they are willing to die for Crimea. After letting Russia have it for 8 years. Why is my question buddy.

 

[Box Ox]

So you're saying these Ukrainians just recently decided they are willing to die for Crimea. After letting Russia have it for 8 years. Why is my question buddy.

Because it makes more sense to potentially die for Crimea as part of a Ukrainian offensive force that's actually capable of retaking all of Ukraine back from the Russians for the first time in 8 years?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Because it makes more sense to potentially die for Crimea as part of a Ukrainian offensive force that's actually capable of retaking all of Ukraine from the Russians for the first time in 8 years?

So now that they've got our money, they're wlling to fight. That's great and all buddy, but why didn't Biden support them 8 years ago?

It's a little late now. Since Biden and Hussein Obama let Russia have it, public support in Crimea is for Russia, not Ukraine. Taking it back means endless fighting and civil strife there at this point.

This is what I mean when I say Democrats don't want peace.

 

[Box Ox]

So now that they've got our money, they're wlling to fight. That's great and all buddy, but why didn't Biden support them 8 years ago?

As you may recall, Putin wasn't trying to take control of all of Ukraine back in 2014. There is a difference between what the Russians did in 2014, what they've tried to do in 2022 and the effect it would have on Europe and the rest of the world if they were successful in their efforts.

public support in Crimea is for Russia, not Ukraine. Taking it back means endless fighting and civil strife there at this point.

Current public support for Russia in Crimea largely consists of two things:

-Russians, many of whom have likely moved in since 2014.
-Ukrainians who are at the end of a Russian gun.

I wouldn't take whatever polling is coming out of there very seriously.

 

[Thebrownblob]

SMH

 

[vantexan]

As you may recall, Putin wasn't trying to take control of all of Ukraine back in 2014. There is a difference between what the Russians did in 2014, what they've tried to do in 2022 and the effect it would have on Europe and the rest of the world if they were successful in their efforts.



Current public support for Russia in Crimea largely consists of two things:

-Russians, many of whom have likely moved in since 2014.
-Ukrainians who are at the end of a Russian gun.

I wouldn't take whatever polling is coming out of there very seriously.

Unlike the Donbas Crimea is mostly ethnic Russian and Tatar. Ukrainians make up about 16%. The Donbas was majority Ukrainian until Russian separatists started fighting there. In the last 10 years many Ukrainians were forced out of the region. But only wanting the Donbas and Crimea was a ruse. The Russians wanted all of Ukraine but are getting beaten. Now we get to find out if Putin really is crazy enough to go nuclear.

 

[fishtm2001]

Unlike the Donbas Crimea is mostly ethnic Russian and Tatar. Ukrainians make up about 16%. The Donbas was majority Ukrainian until Russian separatists started fighting there. In the last 10 years many Ukrainians were forced out of the region. But only wanting the Donbas and Crimea was a ruse. The Russians wanted all of Ukraine but are getting beaten. Now we get to find out if Putin really is crazy enough to go nuclear.

You and your buddy tucker don't seem to be on the same page lately.

 

[vantexan]

You and your buddy tucker don't seem to be on the same page lately.

How would you know if you don't watch? Tucker isn't pro anyone in this. He's pointing out that the Biden administration is wanting regime change in Russia and is pressuring Zelensky to not negotiate. The Turks had mediated a peace deal in March but our administration wouldn't let Zelensky accept it. So now we're playing a very risky game with a nuclear armed nutjob. It's great that the Ukrainians are winning. That changes in a heartbeat if the Russians go nuclear. And the Ukrainians just asked to join NATO. If they're accepted we'll be obligated to send troops. Now we're really talking about a nuclear war. Elon Musk may have put out the best option but the Ukrainians won't hear it and he's being smeared as pro-Russia.

 

[fishtm2001]

How would you know if you don't watch? Tucker isn't pro anyone in this. He's pointing out that the Biden administration is wanting regime change in Russia and is pressuring Zelensky to not negotiate. The Turks had mediated a peace deal in March but our administration wouldn't let Zelensky accept it. So now we're playing a very risky game with a nuclear armed nutjob. It's great that the Ukrainians are winning. That changes in a heartbeat if the Russians go nuclear. And the Ukrainians just asked to join NATO. If they're accepted we'll be obligated to send troops. Now we're really talking about a nuclear war. Elon Musk may have put out the best option but the Ukrainians won't hear it and he's being smeared as pro-Russia.

The Kremlin suggested in a March memo that Russian state media feature Carlson more frequently due to his commentary on the war in Ukraine.

"It is essential to use as much as possible fragments of broadcasts of the popular Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who sharply criticizes the actions of the United States [and] NATO..." Kremlin talking points

"Carlson’s commentaries on the Ukraine war generally reflect Putin’s speeches and claims. Russian television then plays back the monologues as evidence that Putin is right because the same is being said by “the most popular television presenter in America”.

The Guardian

 

[vantexan]

The Kremlin suggested in a March memo that Russian state media feature Carlson more frequently due to his commentary on the war in Ukraine.

So? Tucker has never said Russia is justified in going into Ukraine. He did believe the Russians would ultimately win with more manpower and weapons. He's been proven wrong so far. But from the start he's pointed out there's no good ending for the U.S. if we push Putin into a corner. That this isn't Iraq or Syria. At this point we'd better hope Russian generals refuse to let Putin go nuclear.

 

[Babagounj]

I have. Ukrainian offensives haven't made it that far yet.

It was reported some weeks ago that Russian Officers were selling their property in the Crimea.
What do they know ?

 

[newfie]

As you may recall, Putin wasn't trying to take control of all of Ukraine back in 2014. There is a difference between what the Russians did in 2014, what they've tried to do in 2022 and the effect it would have on Europe and the rest of the world if they were successful in their efforts.



Current public support for Russia in Crimea largely consists of two things:

-Russians, many of whom have likely moved in since 2014.
-Ukrainians who are at the end of a Russian gun.

I wouldn't take whatever polling is coming out of there very seriously.

at the risk of being accused of being a tankie by stankie for not voicing the approved verbiage here

Crimeans actually did support the Russian takeover because they had felt neglected by the ukrainian government.

It could also be argued that the russians have been trying to overtake the ukraine for sometime by injecting their own candidates in the leadership position. there have also been significant borders actions by the Russians for some time in some of the same areas there is now a war.

 

[newfie]

You and your buddy tucker don't seem to be on the same page lately.

Tucker is a libertarian and strongly against war and the support of war.

biden on the other hand is for what ever his handler is for

 

[newfie]

The Kremlin suggested in a March memo that Russian state media feature Carlson more frequently due to his commentary on the war in Ukraine.

"It is essential to use as much as possible fragments of broadcasts of the popular Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who sharply criticizes the actions of the United States [and] NATO..." Kremlin talking points

"Carlson’s commentaries on the Ukraine war generally reflect Putin’s speeches and claims. Russian television then plays back the monologues as evidence that Putin is right because the same is being said by “the most popular television presenter in America”.

The Guardian

well thats good news since unedited replays of Tuckers anti war sentiments can only help end the war.

 

[Box Ox]

It was reported some weeks ago that Russian Officers were selling their property in the Crimea.
What do they know ?

It probably is a good time for them to get out of Crimean real estate. Especially if they're one of the ones who could be facing war crimes charges if they're not back in Russia after all of this is over.

there have also been border significant borders actions by the Russians for some time in the same areas there is now a war.

Yes, there have indeed been "significant border actions" by the Russians in the areas of Ukraine in which there is now a war going on. Hmmmmmmmmm.