Obamacare

[Wally]

How much has the Teamcare cost gone up in the past four years? Anyone know?

 

[Catatonic]

I challenge you to show that the exact same thing was not happening (even faster) before Obamacare. Fact is we will either fix Obamacare or we will get to single payer. There is no going back.

NO!
I challenge you to show that the exact same thing was not happening (even faster) before Obamacare.

 

[Catatonic]

How much has the Teamcare cost gone up in the past four years? Anyone know?

17%

 

[Wally]

17%

Per year or overall over 4 years?

 

[Catatonic]

There's 2 factual errors in this article.
1. It says childless couples need to purchase pediatric dental coverage. That's not true, you add in the dental coverage for your children when selecting a plan, it isn't part of your base coverage.

2. It lists costs for a market priced plan bought outside of the exchanges as too high priced. If you don't buy through the exchange you don't get the subsidies that bring the premium down. It's intentionally misleading the actual costs to middle class people.

1) How are these two alternatives not the same?
2) Middle class does not qualify for subsides after the first couple of years ... if at all.

 

[Catatonic]

Per year or overall over 4 years?

Cumulative

 

[It will be fine]

1) How are these two alternatives not the same?
2) Middle class does not qualify for subsides after the first couple of years ... if at all.

1. You buy it for your kids, which is mandated, it isn't part of every plan.
2. There's no year limit on subsidies, not sure where you're getting that.

 

[Wally]

I challenge you to show that the exact same thing was not happening (even faster) before Obamacare. Fact is we will either fix Obamacare or we will get to single payer. There is no going back.

Designed to fail, and to condition folks that government is the answer.

My neighbor is a social worker. She sees plenty of people working hard to stay below the income level that allows them to stay on Medicaid. Obamacare shifted millions on Medicaid and on the public dole they will stay forever.

 

[Catatonic]

2. There's no year limit on subsidies, not sure where you're getting that.

For example, if you're single and have no more than $47,080 in income in 2016, you'll qualify for a health care credit.
Although they are called credits, the payments made under Obamacare are really a government-funded subsidy.

 

[It will be fine]

For example, if you're single and have no more than $47,080 in income in 2016, you'll qualify for a health care credit.
Although they are called credits, the payments made under Obamacare are really a government-funded subsidy.

And? You said that ends after the first few years, it doesn't.

 

[bbsam]

NO!
I challenge you to show that the exact same thing was not happening (even faster) before Obamacare.

I can't prove a negative.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I challenge you to show that the exact same thing was not happening (even faster) before Obamacare.

I challenge you to show that I didn't already show that the exact same thing was not happening already even faster before.

 

[Operational needs]

I challenge you to show that I didn't already show that the exact same thing was not happening already even faster before.

 

[newfie]

I challenge you to show that the exact same thing was not happening (even faster) before Obamacare. Fact is we will either fix Obamacare or we will get to single payer. There is no going back.

the assumption being there are only two solutions and no possibility of any future innovation in this arena.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

the assumption being there are only two solutions and no possibility of any future innovation in this arena.

They're gonna repeal it and replace it with something beautiful, bigly. Hold your breath.

 

[MAKAVELI]

the assumption being there are only two solutions and no possibility of any future innovation in this arena.

Maybe they'll figure it out in another 7+ years.

 

[Catatonic]

I can't prove a negative.

Well there you go.

 

[bbsam]

the assumption being there are only two solutions and no possibility of any future innovation in this arena.

I'm listening.

 

[newfie]

I'm listening.

I doubt it

 

[bbsam]

I doubt it

No. Really. What's this wildly innovative solution that newfie in his infinite wisdom has formulated that none of the simpletons in the US of A has harkened upon? Dazzle us sir.