Mattmac0912
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The two parties we have ruling us aren’t Americans they’re a foreign power
Ok so I’m very curious as to what it’s gonna take
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Does that socialistic agenda include Social Security and Medicare?
So you're going to launch a civil war? Ok. So who's going to war with you? You have no navy, no air force, no heavy weapons. In actual combat, you might last 2 maybe 3 hours and those of you who are not killed outright will be rounded up and tried accordingly.
trickpony1
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You're right.
We should just let them have their way with us......
Have you considered that elements of the military might revolt also? What it comes down to is a lot of people in the military take defending the Constitution very seriously. So if there's a civil war it'll come down to which side they believe is upholding and defending the Constitution. And anyone revolting against our government had better have a solid foundation for doing so if they want elements of the military to support them. And we're talking about a real civil war that might involve millions of men. Not a bunch of ragtag militia guys who fantasy role play.
No it doesn't.
floridays
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That just may be the stupidest thing you've said.
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floridays
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How about you take care or your own self.
In other words, mind your own damn business.
The left doesn't get enough enjoyment out of screwing up their own lives so they feel compelled to screw up everyone else's.
floridays
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And just who is " they"?
They are programs that are as socialistic in design as any public welfare programs could possibly be. Same holds true with Medicaid. You know. the one that had to hoark up a 100+K cash hairball based on need just to pay for your heart operation . The COVID relief checks were also pure socialism. Not a single member of your party voted in favor of the bill Did you stand in defense of your party and send your check back?
I encounter you selective conservatives everyday. They pick out and exempt from their condemnation of the left those programs that were designed and passed into law by the left that directly benefit them and upon which they are heavily dependent.
In many cases I've encountered these are people who have done nothing wrong except finding themselves poor, are embarrassed about that fact and the fact that they are heavily dependent on social programs and in an effort to cover it up they condemn and demonize the political movement that is responsible for the creation of those very programs.
Oh, so to launch your civil war you're counting on the United Sates Armed Forces to assist you by launching a military coup? It would therefore appear that you would actually enjoy living under the boot of a military junta that took absolute power under no constitutional basis abolished the government and forced the entire population to totally abide by it's every demand.
There's plenty of third world nations under such a form of control. I suggest that you go check them out to see how like it.
PT Car Washer
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I would suggest Putin's Russia. They can sharpen those revolutionary skills fighting in the Ukraine.
DriveInDriveOut
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Marxists.
MassWineGuy
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Yes. On the nose.
I in no way am counting on any such thing. But if you're talking civil war you have to honestly ask yourself what might trigger that? If your party rigs things such as stacking the Supreme Court and creating two new Democratic leaning States, in effect giving us a one party controlled State, and effectively shutting everyone not a Democrat out of the political process, how long do you think people will just accept that without rebelling? You had a lot of Democrats proposing such a thing but I guess cooler heads prevailed. And since every member of the military swore an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution do you think they're all going to go along with these end runs around the Constitution? And you obviously have a poor opinion of the military if you think taking an oath to protect the Constitution translates into a military junta which would take all your rights away. Here's an idea. Continue to work within the framework of the Constitution. Sell your ideas as superior and actually implement superior ideas so that voters will vote for you and only fringe lunatics will disagree with. If most would prefer that elected D.A.'s would enforce the laws that they were elected to enforce, then enforce those laws. If parents would prefer that their small children aren't exposed to inappropriate messages about their sexuality then don't try to teach them such. Or revisionist, untrue history that tries to make them feel bad or oppressed for the race they were born as. Stop trying to completely turn society upside down. This has nothing to do with past ideas like Social Security that are good for all of us. What's happening lately is madness and exactly the sort of stuff that triggers angry men to act out violently. It's a shame that you're more concerned with defending your agenda and pushing it on the rest of us instead of trying to understand why so many now are vehemently opposed to it.
floridays
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Hypocrite much?
But a federal court system stacked with conservative judges is ok in your opinion? You're the guy talking about all the military personnel who will join in a civil war not me. Now as far as the Constitution goes....do you have a juris degree? Taken the bar exam in one or more states? How many constitutional cases have you argued in state or federal court? Just simply leave constitutional law matters in the hands of those who have spent their entire lives in that discipline.
Clearly you do not want a representative democracy. What you want is a white nationalist Christian autocracy that never has to go before the voters. And you obviously do not want a president that has to answer to rule of law but rather a king who answers to nobody.
And once again you identify those social programs that will benefit you either presently or in the near future but condemn those that are targeted toward those who are qualified but you're not one of them.
America is always evolving, always changing and you sound to me like somebody who is flat out simply afraid of change. If
that's the case then the solution is simple. Go to country where civil liberties simply do not exist. Oh things there won't change because the opportunity for change simply is not permitted by the strongman whose rule is never challenged.
Same old tired accusations with no basis in fact. So you're saying one must be an expert on the Constitution to know whether it's being violated? And no one in the military is qualified to make that assessment? Just how many social programs must one be enrolled in? Social Security benefits everyone willing to work, not just me. And a lot of people who can't work. Why are you against it is the question? Why won't you let a Republican praise the program? We aren't allowed? Guess what? I'm in a country that's got tremendous financial problems yet literally everyone I meet here are kind, courteous, pleasant to deal with. If I didn't know better I'd swear they are Mormons. You wouldn't last here without a serious attitude adjustment.
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