Palestinian-Israel Conflict (War?)

vantexan

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where does jesus say do terrible things to prevent more terrible things from happening?

why did hamas make this happen? what was the history prior to oct 7?
The history was Israel was forced to fence off the entire country to prevent constant terror attacks. The history was Israel fighting off its Muslim neighbors. The history was Christians in Lebanon having to flee their country with Muslims driving them out. The history of the entire region was dealing with Muslim armies that came out of the Arabian Peninsula and conquered, pillaged and killed everyone in their path across south and central Asia all the way to the Pacific as well as repeated attempts to conquer Europe. The Muslims can't deal with any other group having authority over them.
 

vantexan

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i encourage you to define what it means ot be a good muslim and relate it to israel's occupation and even the bad things palestine does. no side has a monopoly on goodness, however israel is much worse.
What it means to be a good Muslim? A decent percentage of them believe they must please Allah by conquering non Muslims and imposing Islam on them. What do you think ISIS and al-Qaeda were doing?
 

rickyb

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What it means to be a good Muslim? A decent percentage of them believe they must please Allah by conquering non Muslims and imposing Islam on them. What do you think ISIS and al-Qaeda were doing?
It's a needle in a haystack.

How is it to know so little about religion lol
 

rickyb

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The history was Israel was forced to fence off the entire country to prevent constant terror attacks. The history was Israel fighting off its Muslim neighbors. The history was Christians in Lebanon having to flee their country with Muslims driving them out. The history of the entire region was dealing with Muslim armies that came out of the Arabian Peninsula and conquered, pillaged and killed everyone in their path across south and central Asia all the way to the Pacific as well as repeated attempts to conquer Europe. The Muslims can't deal with any other group having authority over them.
Israel is guilty of starting every war except maybe 1948

Israel maybe just an extension of western imperialism

If Israel is fencing them off then you agree with me it's an occupation. You're country isn't free if it's a concentration camp
 

vantexan

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It's a needle in a haystack.

How is it to know so little about religion lol
Well enlighten me. You do know that the Muslims conquered most of southern Italy and Spain and Portugal and held them for hundreds of years? That they conquered most of the Balkan Peninsula and held it for 500 years? Have you ever asked why the largest Muslim country is Indonesia? It's a long way from Arabia. The Muslims didn't send missionaries, they sent armies. You are aware that there has been serious strife between Hindus and Muslims for centuries? Why do you think when India achieved its independence from the British it was only with the agreement to make the two major Muslim areas, Pakistan and Bangladesh, separate countries? The Muslim minority inside India still causes constant trouble and India and Pakistan might someday see the first nuclear war.

The Muslims in Gaza are only interested in one thing, driving every Jew into the Mediterranean. Except for those they kill first. They aren't interested in peace. Thus they are fenced off.

How is it that your knowledge of religion doesn't include the history of said religions? Every time you lol you indicate that you are trying to snicker away your lack of knowledge. Crack a book for once.
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Israel is guilty of starting every war except maybe 1948

Israel maybe just an extension of western imperialism

If Israel is fencing them off then you agree with me it's an occupation. You're country isn't free if it's a concentration camp
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rickyb

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Well enlighten me. You do know that the Muslims conquered most of southern Italy and Spain and Portugal and held them for hundreds of years? That they conquered most of the Balkan Peninsula and held it for 500 years? Have you ever asked why the largest Muslim country is Indonesia? It's a long way from Arabia. The Muslims didn't send missionaries, they sent armies. You are aware that there has been serious strife between Hindus and Muslims for centuries? Why do you think when India achieved its independence from the British it was only with the agreement to make the two major Muslim areas, Pakistan and Bangladesh, separate countries? The Muslim minority inside India still causes constant trouble and India and Pakistan might someday see the first nuclear war.

The Muslims in Gaza are only interested in one thing, driving every Jew into the Mediterranean. Except for those they kill first. They aren't interested in peace. Thus they are fenced off.

How is it that your knowledge of religion doesn't include the history of said religions? Every time you lol you indicate that you are trying to snicker away your lack of knowledge. Crack a book for once.
what you said about gaza is not true. btw israel wants an arab free state - so what are you defending?

chris hedges graduated harvard divinity school. i also have other peoples interpretations of christianity. when you know hte basics, it should be common sense. but it got coopted 3 century i believe by the romans and a lot of people dont have common sense.

yea i think europeans conquered the world for the last 500 years. what religion were they?

religion is a good thing to good people and a bad thing for bad people.
 

vantexan

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what you said about gaza is not true. btw israel wants an arab free state - so what are you defending?

chris hedges graduated harvard divinity school. i also have other peoples interpretations of christianity. when you know hte basics, it should be common sense. but it got coopted 3 century i believe by the romans and a lot of people dont have common sense.

yea i think europeans conquered the world for the last 500 years. what religion were they?

religion is a good thing to good people and a bad thing for bad people.
The difference between Christian countries and Muslim countries is this: the Christian colonizers did not impose Christianity on the lands conquered with the exception of the Spanish. The missionaries/priests preached Christianity and people chose to accept or reject it. The Muslims when conquering a land gave three choices: accept and convert, keep your religion but in all things you must be subservient and pay tribute to your conquerors, or die.

For example when the Muslims conquered the Balkan Peninsula they wouldn't allow the building of a Christian cathedral that was larger, more grand than the local mosque. Christians were forced to build their churches below ground level with only a portion above ground.

Another example. India was conquered by the British Empire. But only a small portion of the population is Christian. Most are either Hindu or Muslim. The British didn't force Christianity on the population.

Again, you'd know this if you would crack a few books. Well documented history out there that doesn't have the Chris Hedges spin on it.
 

rickyb

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The difference between Christian countries and Muslim countries is this: the Christian colonizers did not impose Christianity on the lands conquered with the exception of the Spanish. The missionaries/priests preached Christianity and people chose to accept or reject it. The Muslims when conquering a land gave three choices: accept and convert, keep your religion but in all things you must be subservient and pay tribute to your conquerors, or die.

For example when the Muslims conquered the Balkan Peninsula they wouldn't allow the building of a Christian cathedral that was larger, more grand than the local mosque. Christians were forced to build their churches below ground level with only a portion above ground.

Another example. India was conquered by the British Empire. But only a small portion of the population is Christian. Most are either Hindu or Muslim. The British didn't force Christianity on the population.

Again, you'd know this if you would crack a few books. Well documented history out there that doesn't have the Chris Hedges spin on it.
the europeans dominated the world because they were so efficient with their violence.

just because you read books doesnt mean theyre true. i read books too you know ;)
 

vantexan

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the europeans dominated the world because they were so efficient with their violence.

just because you read books doesnt mean theyre true. i read books too you know ;)
Do you? Because you never cite anything beyond your favorite liberals and the plot of movies.

The Europeans dominated the world because they were conquered in part by the Mongols, the Huns, the Muslims, and a few others. This led to them inventing weapons and ships that they could defend themselves with. When they had secured their freedom from outside invasion they then started projecting their power with exploration and conquering. That and they had 25% of the world's population at that time.

This is settled history Ricky. Historians reach consensus. They don't make up stories to cover their asses. That's what propagandists do. You don't want rational, unbiased explanations of what happened. You want only to hear that all evil in the world started and is present because of white men. The evil Israelis are white, and thus the poor darker Palestinians must be protected from them by the enlightened liberal whites who stand up to white supremacy. That's at the root of every discussion about history and modern geopolitics by today's academics. They never discuss the evil committed by other races. The media always quashes any evil committed by anyone other than white men. It's patently dishonest, and you buy into it.
 

rickyb

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Do you? Because you never cite anything beyond your favorite liberals and the plot of movies.

The Europeans dominated the world because they were conquered in part by the Mongols, the Huns, the Muslims, and a few others. This led to them inventing weapons and ships that they could defend themselves with. When they had secured their freedom from outside invasion they then started projecting their power with exploration and conquering. That and they had 25% of the world's population at that time.

This is settled history Ricky. Historians reach consensus. They don't make up stories to cover their asses. That's what propagandists do. You don't want rational, unbiased explanations of what happened. You want only to hear that all evil in the world started and is present because of white men. The evil Israelis are white, and thus the poor darker Palestinians must be protected from them by the enlightened liberal whites who stand up to white supremacy. That's at the root of every discussion about history and modern geopolitics by today's academics. They never discuss the evil committed by other races. The media always quashes any evil committed by anyone other than white men. It's patently dishonest, and you buy into it.
israel wants an arab free state and they are debating how much land to steal.

otherwise i dont know what race has to do with it.

we know whites did the same thing in north america. stealing land and violently killing the people who already lived there, instead of following the free market and paying them fair value.
 

Box Ox

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we know whites did the same thing in north america. stealing land and violently killing the people who already lived there, instead of following the free market and paying them fair value.

What's your plan for reparations to the Canadian natives you've been displacing?
 

vantexan

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israel wants an arab free state and they are debating how much land to steal.

otherwise i dont know what race has to do with it.

we know whites did the same thing in north america. stealing land and violently killing the people who already lived there, instead of following the free market and paying them fair value.
Israel isn't driving its own Muslim citizens away. And once Hamas is destroyed the Palestinians are free to return to and rebuild Gaza.

You say what has race have to do with it then turn around and talk about whites in North America. There was no free market in North America at the time either. No doubt the whites invaded and won. It was warfare and superior technology plus the mass die off of the natives through introduced diseases ultimately won out for the Europeans. But the academics will frame it as the mass killing of the natives by the evil whites. And you buy into it.
 

rickyb

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Israel isn't driving its own Muslim citizens away. And once Hamas is destroyed the Palestinians are free to return to and rebuild Gaza.

You say what has race have to do with it then turn around and talk about whites in North America. There was no free market in North America at the time either. No doubt the whites invaded and won. It was warfare and superior technology plus the mass die off of the natives through introduced diseases ultimately won out for the Europeans. But the academics will frame it as the mass killing of the natives by the evil whites. And you buy into it.
israel wants an arab free state. last i heard israel is trying to get rid of everyone in gaza. theyve spoken with other countries and so has the US state dept.

genocide. and youre a native. you should know better.
 
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