Palestinian-Israel Conflict (War?)

Box Ox

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we know whites did the same thing in north america. stealing land and violently killing the people who already lived there, instead of following the free market and paying them fair value.
What's your plan for reparations to the Canadian natives you've been displacing?
do chris hedges, ralph nader, noam chomsky, or howard zinn have any ideas on it that you can quote and relay here?

You're the one who studies and points to their work. You tell us. What's your plan for reparations for the land you've stolen?
 

rickyb

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You're the one who studies and points to their work. You tell us. What's your plan for reparations for the land you've stolen?
you asked. i guess your just being dishonest again?

im not looking it up but the answer is out there and im in favor of it
 

vantexan

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israel wants an arab free state. last i heard israel is trying to get rid of everyone in gaza. theyve spoken with other countries and so has the US state dept.

genocide. and youre a native. you should know better.
I do know better. Why were reservations set up all over the country if it was the intent to kill all natives?

Israel wants an Arab free state yet they aren't driving out the 2 million+ Arabs living in Israel?

As soon as Hamas is destroyed the Palestinians will return to what's left of their homes.
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member
we know whites did the same thing in north america. stealing land and violently killing the people who already lived there, instead of following the free market and paying them fair value.
What's your plan for reparations to the Canadian natives you've been displacing?
do chris hedges, ralph nader, noam chomsky, or howard zinn have any ideas on it that you can quote and relay here?
You're the one who studies and points to their work. You tell us. What's your plan for reparations for the land you've stolen?
you asked. i guess your just being dishonest again?

im not looking it up but the answer is out there and im in favor of it

Why are you asking me to tell you what you've learned from your proteges when I ask what they've taught you? Have they taught you nothing? Is that why you need me to look it up for you? You say their names but you relay little substance.
 

rickyb

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Why are you asking me to tell you what you've learned from your proteges when I ask what they've taught you? Have they taught you nothing? Is that why you need me to look it up for you? You say their names but you relay little substance.
you asked the question and i told you where to look

or are you lying again?
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
I do know better. Why were reservations set up all over the country if it was the intent to kill all natives?

Israel wants an Arab free state yet they aren't driving out the 2 million+ Arabs living in Israel?

As soon as Hamas is destroyed the Palestinians will return to what's left of their homes.
i listened to a howard zinn interview and he figured they killed 10%

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i dont think you understand the definition of genocide. it doesnt mean everyone is killed. just a large number. so 40,000 palestinians. its not that israel is a terrible shot, they are jewish supremacists.
 

vantexan

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i listened to a howard zinn interview and he figured they killed 10%

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i dont think you understand the definition of genocide. it doesnt mean everyone is killed. just a large number. so 40,000 palestinians. its not that israel is a terrible shot, they are jewish supremacists.
And I don't think you understand the difference between war and genocide. War is fighting between two or more combatants. Civilians, non combatants, get killed in wars as collateral damage.

Genocide is the systematic destruction of a group with the intent to kill as many as possible so that they can never be a physical, political, or economic threat again to the group seeking their destruction. Often occurring between groups of different races, ethnicities, or religions.

At this point it's war between Hamas and Israel. If Israel goes into the refugee camps and starts shooting unarmed civilians then its a genocide.

There were an estimated 8 million Native Americans in what is now the lower 48 States when Europeans first arrived. It's estimated that about 90% died from diseases the Europeans brought with them that the natives had no natural immunity to. This was well documented by the early settlers who came upon village after village where everyone was either dead or gone. That's something you don't see in the movies. It wasn't intentional, was assumed at the time that God had cleared away the natives for them. The natives who survived fought wars with the settlers or they made peace and strove to get along. And yes treaty after treaty was broken by whites who saw the natives as heathen or inferior human beings. Not every white group was that way. Don't know if you are familiar with the Comanche, the very warlike group on the southern plains. They got along with German settlers in central Texas who sought peace with them. Other whites, not so much. The 5 "civilized" tribes in the Southeast greatly inter married with whites, many becoming Christians, and lived like whites. Didn't stop the Federal government from moving them to Oklahoma though. When they were marched to Oklahoma the troops could have just opened fire on them. That would've been genocide. Plenty died on the way from exhaustion and exposure to the elements. But I'm here today because it wasn't the government's plan to exterminate them.

Everyone wants to point fingers over everything and scream racism. You can't change what has already happened. You can only choose peace and cooperation going forward. And if others don't want that then you can defend yourself and your family. But this constant stirring the pot and never content to put the past behind us will only lead to more death and destruction.
 

rickyb

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And I don't think you understand the difference between war and genocide. War is fighting between two or more combatants. Civilians, non combatants, get killed in wars as collateral damage.

Genocide is the systematic destruction of a group with the intent to kill as many as possible so that they can never be a physical, political, or economic threat again to the group seeking their destruction. Often occurring between groups of different races, ethnicities, or religions.

At this point it's war between Hamas and Israel. If Israel goes into the refugee camps and starts shooting unarmed civilians then its a genocide.

There were an estimated 8 million Native Americans in what is now the lower 48 States when Europeans first arrived. It's estimated that about 90% died from diseases the Europeans brought with them that the natives had no natural immunity to. This was well documented by the early settlers who came upon village after village where everyone was either dead or gone. That's something you don't see in the movies. It wasn't intentional, was assumed at the time that God had cleared away the natives for them. The natives who survived fought wars with the settlers or they made peace and strove to get along. And yes treaty after treaty was broken by whites who saw the natives as heathen or inferior human beings. Not every white group was that way. Don't know if you are familiar with the Comanche, the very warlike group on the southern plains. They got along with German settlers in central Texas who sought peace with them. Other whites, not so much. The 5 "civilized" tribes in the Southeast greatly inter married with whites, many becoming Christians, and lived like whites. Didn't stop the Federal government from moving them to Oklahoma though. When they were marched to Oklahoma the troops could have just opened fire on them. That would've been genocide. Plenty died on the way from exhaustion and exposure to the elements. But I'm here today because it wasn't the government's plan to exterminate them.

Everyone wants to point fingers over everything and scream racism. You can't change what has already happened. You can only choose peace and cooperation going forward. And if others don't want that then you can defend yourself and your family. But this constant stirring the pot and never content to put the past behind us will only lead to more death and destruction.
in a war its illegal to kill civilians

in genocide you kill civilians

its not war between palestine and israel because first of all palestine doesnt have a defense!

you have to know the past so you have perspective about where you are and where youre headed.
 

vantexan

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in a war its illegal to kill civilians

in genocide you kill civilians

its not war between palestine and israel because first of all palestine doesnt have a defense!

you have to know the past so you have perspective about where you are and where youre headed.
How many of the American command after WWII were charged with war crimes for killing millions of civilians in Germany and Japan? Civilian deaths happen. And you do have to know the past which you repeatedly demonstrate that you do not.
 

rickyb

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How many of the American command after WWII were charged with war crimes for killing millions of civilians in Germany and Japan? Civilian deaths happen. And you do have to know the past which you repeatedly demonstrate that you do not.
you tell me. and why didnt that happen? was america pure?
 

Box Ox

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vantexan

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you tell me. and why didnt that happen? was america pure?
The majority of Germans and Japanese supported their governments in the idea that they were superior to everyone around them and it was their right to conquer them. They paid for that. Hamas is no different. Israel has put up with a lot. October 7th was the tipping point. They'll continue to fight until there's no more Hamas and Hamas has been guilty of hiding behind their civilian population. That's the war crime. People dying needlessly is unfortunate but it's on Hamas. And if you support abortion then don't come at me with Jesus said.
 
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