Poll: Nuke the Suze?
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mr_roboto
I feel GOOD!
tieguy said:
thanks for the compliment you ballot stuffing hypocrite
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liberal (lbr-l, lbrl) KEY
ADJECTIVE:
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
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tieguy said:I think its a good topic. I'm dissapointed I only get one vote.
when I read this I knew what you were up to so I followed your lead
roboto
ok2bclever
I Re Member
Unlike the very tolerant conservatives on the board. 
tieguy
Banned
mr_roboto said:
yes for me it was a joke. Nothing more. Unlike my liberal ballot stuffing friends on this board. Perhaps you could load up the school buses with the homeless and tell them to vote for Suzie too. That is how the liberal shows he/she is not bigoted. They use the minority and the homeless voter to get them elected them drop them back off on whatever street corner they found them to fend for theirselves. And of course don't forget the occasional liberal politician who screams "racist" fighting the good fight at work then returns to their mansion filled with illegal alliens working for substandards wages. Yes sir give me the open minded non-bigoted lifestyle of the liberal politician so I can tell myself what a great person I am.
ok2bclever
I Re Member
Unlike the openminded, non-bigotted lifestyle of the conservative politician. 
ok2bclever
I Re Member
no, I would say that a bigotted liberal is just mascarading as a liberal.
I know you are big into labeling people as either conservative or liberal as judging a person as a person is too complicated for some.
I know you are big into labeling people as either conservative or liberal as judging a person as a person is too complicated for some.
NoBrownForMe
Well-Known Member
Wily, you weenie
Uh, Wily, you mean like UPS called me and said they would call me back and never did?
Now THAT is integrity.
Welcome to the new UPS ethic.
Uh, Wily, you mean like UPS called me and said they would call me back and never did?
Now THAT is integrity.
Welcome to the new UPS ethic.
tieguy
Banned
ok2bclever said:
The fact remains that no matter how I try I have to come up with some type of label to represent those who I believe adopt a liberal point of view. Your comment appears to indicate that you would like me to adopt the naming of a group as I would the naming of an individual. I don't know how to do so therefore I tend to use the liberal term for liberals.
Once I identify this group of people who I believe share the liberal view i then discussed thier actions. I believe the liberal has actually been more of a bigot than the conservative. The liberal tells the minority that they are oppressed. The liberal tells the minority that they have no hope other than to rely on political leaders that share the liberal point of view. The help the liberal proposes for this oppressed minority is to give them handouts rather then teach them how to better thier lot in life. Thus they help keep the oppressed down. To me this is the greatest act of bigotry any one human can perform against another human. Looks past the label and see if you see what I see.
NoBrownForMe
Well-Known Member
Nuke yourselves.
Here it is, meatheads:
Here's just a taste, a fraction, of what I found on the Internet regarding UPS:
Data compiled from Department of Labor, various media stories and the AFL/CIO Website (YOUR UNION)
INJURY STATISTIC'S
* On average one UPS employee is killed on the job each month
* Over 60,000 UPS employees are injured on the job annually
* Thousands of injuries go unreported due to threats and intimidation from UPS management
* According to the National Academy of Science: The national injury rate is 8 injuries per 100 employees, or 8:100
* UPSs injury rate is 15:100 employees
* Into the 90s UPS was the highest fined company by OSHA with over 1300 citations, 1/3 of those were serious in nature
* In 1994 in order to avoid a contempt ruling in Federal court UPS was fined $3 million for their repeated failure to comply with the Government mandated Hazardous Material Spill Program
* According to a Cornell University study-Former UPS workers missed an average of 275 workdays A PIECE due to injuries sustained at UPS
* UPS pays out over $1 million A DAY in worker compensation claims
* OSHA receives more complaints from workers at UPS than from any other company
* UPS has an occupational injury rate 3 times that of the transportation industry
* UPS has one of the worst HAZMAT violation records in the industry
* Young, new workers are becoming disabled for life at an alarming rate from injuries received while at UPS
* UPS drivers lead the industry in alcohol and substance abuse associated with stress at UPS
* UPS drivers rank in the top 9% of most stressed adults in the nation
* 1.8 million worker suffer workplace injuries, 600,000 of those injuries are ergonomic related such as repetitive motion, and carpal tunnel syndrome
* Between 1972 and 1996 UPS spent over $4.6 million for fines levied against them
* 85% of the injuries at UPS are ergonomic in nature
*UPS raised the weight limit of its packages from 50lbs to 150lbs, which injury rates increased as well
* The average value of a UPS workers life is $5,000, standard OSHA fine
* In Chicago a brand new employee (described as barely more than a "boy") serving his 30 day probation died of heat exhaustion while unloading a truck during one of Chicago's heat waves. He was required to meet the standard of unloading 2000 packages per hour in order to make probation. OSHA fined the company $5000.
* Packages presently can weigh up to 150 pounds each. The company has refused to bargain over weight limits, reserving the right to require drivers to unload alone packages that could run 200 or more pounds. When challenged, management told the union that if the driver needed help, s/he could ask the customer to assist. Young, inexperienced workers are becoming disabled for life from injuries received at UPS, often their first real job.
* UPS has consistently stonewalled union demands for appropriate safety equipment such as decent seatbelts, seats, and tires, and has refused to retire from their fleet trucks that have only single cylinder brakes.
* The EEOC has filed a class action suit against UPS for violating the rights of disabled workers. Workers who suffer eye injury are entitled to be transferred to other jobs, but UPS has refused or failed to accommodate their disabilities.
* UPS has a rate of occupational injury that is three times that of the transportation industry.
* The National Coalition on Ergonomics, an employer association has worked to prevent OSHA from adopting standards intended to cut down on repetitive motion injuries. Among the main corporate opponents of sensible repetitive motion injury regulations has been UPS, which is among the leading violators of OSHA regulations.
* The average penalty for a serious violation is $709, according to "Death on the Job: The Toll of Neglect," a new report by the AFL-CIO.
Political influence vs. safety statistics:
*Ergonomic injuries account for all serious workplace injuries and cost society approximately $50 billion each year
*Ergonomic injuries affect women the most who make up less than 50% of the workforce, but account for 1/3 of the total workplace injuries
* UPS facility in Lenexa Kansas was fined $140,000 by OSHA for deplorable working conditions that were resulting in an injury rate of almost 20:100 employees, thus began UPSs venture into the ergonomic arena battling OSHA, and the public interest
*UPS sued OSHA in Federal court over the Lenexa Kansas citation, and the Federal judge ruled that since no ergonomic standard existed for workers all citations were dropped, and OSHA began working on ergonomic standards
*Head of OSHA during President Bush (92), Dorothy Strunk, drafted language protecting American workers from ergonomic injuries, and begun to fight and force companies to incorporate these provisions to protect American workers from further ergonomic injuries
*1993-94 UPSs PAC was the largest contributor to congressional candidates-$2.65 million
*1995-96 UPS gave over $575,000 to supporters of Ballenger Bill
* UPS handed out more than $3 million for the 2000 elections with 73% going to Republicans
*Teamster General President James P. Hoffa joins UPS in refusing to address skyrocketing injury rates (refer to news article enclosed)
*Teamster General President James P. Hoffa appoints OSHA killer hired gun, Joseph DiGenova, to the IRB overseeing union corruption, which the position is paid for by members dues money to the tune of $100,000 a year plus a union retirement
*UPS was found to have illegally contributed to James P. Hoffas election campaign in 1996
*Teamsters General President James P. Hoffa was a former labor attorney representing UPS and ATA member, Yellow Freight against UPS employees
*UPS hired Eugene Scalia, son of U.S Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, as a lobbyist to defeat ergonomics
* UPS attempted to endow a chair at the University of Washington and fill it with their bought M.D, and hired consultant, Stanley Bigos, who testified against the ergonomics standard in the House\
* UPS and their Coalition is lobbying for the for the application of cost benefit analysis or worker death to cost to profit ratio
*UPS claimed publicly that the national ergonomic standard would cost its shareholders $3 billion
*UPS was the top contributor in the 2000 US Presidential Election- transportation sector: UPS $3,135,569
*Ergonomic injuries affect mainly lower wage scale workers, which is comprised mostly of minority and female workers
*UPS was the #1 political contributor while being a member of the NAMCE, the 300 company coalition headed by UPS
*UPS hires former OSHA head, DOROTHY STRUNK, as a consultant to attack and defeat the very language she drafted to protect workers from ergonomic injuries. Shes paid over $60,000 as a UPS lobbyist (see documents enclosed)
*President Bush (00) returns the favor to UPS and defeats the ergonomic bill affecting millions of American workers.
UPSs SOCIAL AND BUSINESS PRACTICES
* Annual turnover rate at UPS is 400%
* UPSs association with National Welfare to Work campaign has hired more than 50,000 welfare recipients since the program began in 1997. Very few of those people remained by years end respectively.
*UPS receives incentives for hiring these people into poverty jobs
*Average weekly salary of the welfare to work employees was $104 after taxes per week. ($8.00 hr X 3.0 hour guarantee X 5 days 25% with holdings and - $25 in union dues)
*Work place abuse, unsafe working conditions, and no hope for a FULL TIME job cited as reasons for leaving UPS
*UPS is routinely sued by the EEOC and various other Civil and Human rights agencies for violations, and discrimination
* RAINBOW PUSH Coalition is well known for attacking companies who violated minoritys civil rights, but it seems that UPS is a trading partner on their Board, and now has nothing to worry about from RAINBOW PUSH
*UPSs main public relations firm, Edelman Public Relations Worldwide, is the volunteer firm for the UN Global Compact. The Compact is hoped to be a PR coup for companies with tarnished public images to show to show their support for democracy and human rights without ACTUALLY having to change their practices
*UPS is being sued in two separate class actions from previous customers who were over charged for insurance, which stems from UPSs $1.8 billion tax evasion suit
* UPS was sued in two separate suits involving wage fraud regarding meal issues of drivers in New Jersey and Washington state, which have cost UPS employees an estimated $3 billion
*Monopolistic practices: UPS is routinely suing foreign governments for unfair, and monopolistic practices, while expanding exponentially around the world, and at the same time keeping foreign companies out of the American market
*Workers at UPS who report unsafe working conditions, unsafe and illegal equipment, payroll fraud, and corruption are harassed and discharged often without help from the Hoffa controlled Teamsters union clearly in violation of Federal law.
And there's more where that came from...
Here it is, meatheads:
Here's just a taste, a fraction, of what I found on the Internet regarding UPS:
Data compiled from Department of Labor, various media stories and the AFL/CIO Website (YOUR UNION)
INJURY STATISTIC'S
* On average one UPS employee is killed on the job each month
* Over 60,000 UPS employees are injured on the job annually
* Thousands of injuries go unreported due to threats and intimidation from UPS management
* According to the National Academy of Science: The national injury rate is 8 injuries per 100 employees, or 8:100
* UPSs injury rate is 15:100 employees
* Into the 90s UPS was the highest fined company by OSHA with over 1300 citations, 1/3 of those were serious in nature
* In 1994 in order to avoid a contempt ruling in Federal court UPS was fined $3 million for their repeated failure to comply with the Government mandated Hazardous Material Spill Program
* According to a Cornell University study-Former UPS workers missed an average of 275 workdays A PIECE due to injuries sustained at UPS
* UPS pays out over $1 million A DAY in worker compensation claims
* OSHA receives more complaints from workers at UPS than from any other company
* UPS has an occupational injury rate 3 times that of the transportation industry
* UPS has one of the worst HAZMAT violation records in the industry
* Young, new workers are becoming disabled for life at an alarming rate from injuries received while at UPS
* UPS drivers lead the industry in alcohol and substance abuse associated with stress at UPS
* UPS drivers rank in the top 9% of most stressed adults in the nation
* 1.8 million worker suffer workplace injuries, 600,000 of those injuries are ergonomic related such as repetitive motion, and carpal tunnel syndrome
* Between 1972 and 1996 UPS spent over $4.6 million for fines levied against them
* 85% of the injuries at UPS are ergonomic in nature
*UPS raised the weight limit of its packages from 50lbs to 150lbs, which injury rates increased as well
* The average value of a UPS workers life is $5,000, standard OSHA fine
* In Chicago a brand new employee (described as barely more than a "boy") serving his 30 day probation died of heat exhaustion while unloading a truck during one of Chicago's heat waves. He was required to meet the standard of unloading 2000 packages per hour in order to make probation. OSHA fined the company $5000.
* Packages presently can weigh up to 150 pounds each. The company has refused to bargain over weight limits, reserving the right to require drivers to unload alone packages that could run 200 or more pounds. When challenged, management told the union that if the driver needed help, s/he could ask the customer to assist. Young, inexperienced workers are becoming disabled for life from injuries received at UPS, often their first real job.
* UPS has consistently stonewalled union demands for appropriate safety equipment such as decent seatbelts, seats, and tires, and has refused to retire from their fleet trucks that have only single cylinder brakes.
* The EEOC has filed a class action suit against UPS for violating the rights of disabled workers. Workers who suffer eye injury are entitled to be transferred to other jobs, but UPS has refused or failed to accommodate their disabilities.
* UPS has a rate of occupational injury that is three times that of the transportation industry.
* The National Coalition on Ergonomics, an employer association has worked to prevent OSHA from adopting standards intended to cut down on repetitive motion injuries. Among the main corporate opponents of sensible repetitive motion injury regulations has been UPS, which is among the leading violators of OSHA regulations.
* The average penalty for a serious violation is $709, according to "Death on the Job: The Toll of Neglect," a new report by the AFL-CIO.
Political influence vs. safety statistics:
*Ergonomic injuries account for all serious workplace injuries and cost society approximately $50 billion each year
*Ergonomic injuries affect women the most who make up less than 50% of the workforce, but account for 1/3 of the total workplace injuries
* UPS facility in Lenexa Kansas was fined $140,000 by OSHA for deplorable working conditions that were resulting in an injury rate of almost 20:100 employees, thus began UPSs venture into the ergonomic arena battling OSHA, and the public interest
*UPS sued OSHA in Federal court over the Lenexa Kansas citation, and the Federal judge ruled that since no ergonomic standard existed for workers all citations were dropped, and OSHA began working on ergonomic standards
*Head of OSHA during President Bush (92), Dorothy Strunk, drafted language protecting American workers from ergonomic injuries, and begun to fight and force companies to incorporate these provisions to protect American workers from further ergonomic injuries
*1993-94 UPSs PAC was the largest contributor to congressional candidates-$2.65 million
*1995-96 UPS gave over $575,000 to supporters of Ballenger Bill
* UPS handed out more than $3 million for the 2000 elections with 73% going to Republicans
*Teamster General President James P. Hoffa joins UPS in refusing to address skyrocketing injury rates (refer to news article enclosed)
*Teamster General President James P. Hoffa appoints OSHA killer hired gun, Joseph DiGenova, to the IRB overseeing union corruption, which the position is paid for by members dues money to the tune of $100,000 a year plus a union retirement
*UPS was found to have illegally contributed to James P. Hoffas election campaign in 1996
*Teamsters General President James P. Hoffa was a former labor attorney representing UPS and ATA member, Yellow Freight against UPS employees
*UPS hired Eugene Scalia, son of U.S Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, as a lobbyist to defeat ergonomics
* UPS attempted to endow a chair at the University of Washington and fill it with their bought M.D, and hired consultant, Stanley Bigos, who testified against the ergonomics standard in the House\
* UPS and their Coalition is lobbying for the for the application of cost benefit analysis or worker death to cost to profit ratio
*UPS claimed publicly that the national ergonomic standard would cost its shareholders $3 billion
*UPS was the top contributor in the 2000 US Presidential Election- transportation sector: UPS $3,135,569
*Ergonomic injuries affect mainly lower wage scale workers, which is comprised mostly of minority and female workers
*UPS was the #1 political contributor while being a member of the NAMCE, the 300 company coalition headed by UPS
*UPS hires former OSHA head, DOROTHY STRUNK, as a consultant to attack and defeat the very language she drafted to protect workers from ergonomic injuries. Shes paid over $60,000 as a UPS lobbyist (see documents enclosed)
*President Bush (00) returns the favor to UPS and defeats the ergonomic bill affecting millions of American workers.
UPSs SOCIAL AND BUSINESS PRACTICES
* Annual turnover rate at UPS is 400%
* UPSs association with National Welfare to Work campaign has hired more than 50,000 welfare recipients since the program began in 1997. Very few of those people remained by years end respectively.
*UPS receives incentives for hiring these people into poverty jobs
*Average weekly salary of the welfare to work employees was $104 after taxes per week. ($8.00 hr X 3.0 hour guarantee X 5 days 25% with holdings and - $25 in union dues)
*Work place abuse, unsafe working conditions, and no hope for a FULL TIME job cited as reasons for leaving UPS
*UPS is routinely sued by the EEOC and various other Civil and Human rights agencies for violations, and discrimination
* RAINBOW PUSH Coalition is well known for attacking companies who violated minoritys civil rights, but it seems that UPS is a trading partner on their Board, and now has nothing to worry about from RAINBOW PUSH
*UPSs main public relations firm, Edelman Public Relations Worldwide, is the volunteer firm for the UN Global Compact. The Compact is hoped to be a PR coup for companies with tarnished public images to show to show their support for democracy and human rights without ACTUALLY having to change their practices
*UPS is being sued in two separate class actions from previous customers who were over charged for insurance, which stems from UPSs $1.8 billion tax evasion suit
* UPS was sued in two separate suits involving wage fraud regarding meal issues of drivers in New Jersey and Washington state, which have cost UPS employees an estimated $3 billion
*Monopolistic practices: UPS is routinely suing foreign governments for unfair, and monopolistic practices, while expanding exponentially around the world, and at the same time keeping foreign companies out of the American market
*Workers at UPS who report unsafe working conditions, unsafe and illegal equipment, payroll fraud, and corruption are harassed and discharged often without help from the Hoffa controlled Teamsters union clearly in violation of Federal law.
And there's more where that came from...
ok2bclever
I Re Member
By definition a liberal point of view would be a forward thinking one and I understand how that would be anathema to you.
The left wing is as ludicrous as your right wing.
What growing up experience made you decide it's manditory to lump people into groups?
Or is it that makes it simpler and more comforting to you?
The left wing is as ludicrous as your right wing.
What growing up experience made you decide it's manditory to lump people into groups?
Or is it that makes it simpler and more comforting to you?
tieguy
Banned
ok2bclever said:
I think I have certainly explained the concept of tagging a group of people who share similar views with a label that represents that group.
I guess the question i would have is what experience you had growing up that has made you so defensive that you can not discuss a difference of political views without being obsessively offended and yet you apparently approve of other groupings such as the neo-con label which you have never challenged. Is there something about the liberal label that strikes close to home?
ok2bclever
I Re Member
I realize the word liberal stands for all that you are not:
Noun:
1. A person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
2. A person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets
Adjective:
1. Showing or characterized by broad-mindedness
2. Having political or social views favoring reform and progress
3. Tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
4. Given or giving freely
Still, I don't like your small minded political abuse of the word.
It irritates to have someone as illiterate as you are, continually denegrading the word liberal.
I can respect both moderate conservative and liberal views, but not your hateful "anyside or one that doesn't agree with me is the devil" attitude.
As I don't support the left wing any more than the left wing nuts.
Noun:
1. A person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
2. A person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets
Adjective:
1. Showing or characterized by broad-mindedness
2. Having political or social views favoring reform and progress
3. Tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
4. Given or giving freely
Still, I don't like your small minded political abuse of the word.
It irritates to have someone as illiterate as you are, continually denegrading the word liberal.
I can respect both moderate conservative and liberal views, but not your hateful "anyside or one that doesn't agree with me is the devil" attitude.
As I don't support the left wing any more than the left wing nuts.
moreluck
golden ticket member
Maybe Tie is a liberal.....
Adjective:
1. Showing or characterized by broad-mindedness (he thinks of broads all the time)
2. Having political or social views favoring reform and progress. (Progress, Progresso...close enough....plenty on his shelf)
3. Tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition. (change?....plenty in a jar and on his dresser top!)
4. Given or giving freely( given? he's given to vigorous responses)
By Golly, Tie qualifies as a liberal.
Adjective:
1. Showing or characterized by broad-mindedness (he thinks of broads all the time)
2. Having political or social views favoring reform and progress. (Progress, Progresso...close enough....plenty on his shelf)
3. Tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition. (change?....plenty in a jar and on his dresser top!)
4. Given or giving freely( given? he's given to vigorous responses)
By Golly, Tie qualifies as a liberal.
