Poor Ground guys…

[Fred's Myth]

Of course it's not socialism if it's a federal publicly funded program you can draw benefits from.

Scroll back up to post #34, read, and pay attention this time.

 

[vantexan]

Do you drive on public roads???? Yes, so you have used public resources paid for by taxes, Have you ever needed the police or fire departments' help? Then you HAVE taken public dollars. Did you ever live somewhere that was on a city water supply or sewer system????? Or use a contractor who was certified by the county or state????? ALL of that can be considered as being socialist. and even if you went to private schools, the school almost certainly got some form of federal assistance- maybe even if only a tax exemption for the school or a property tax exemption..

Those aren't Federal Dollars, ttku.

 

[vantexan]

All the social programs are funded from earnings, or added to the debt. Public roads are socialist, public schools are socialist, public defense of the country is socialist, spending public dollars to protect the seaways from piracy to keep wealthy shippers from losing money is socialist. fire and police departments are socialist, and even insurance-private insurance- is socialism on a small scale in one sense, especially when something like car insurance is required by law..
Society' itself is socialist, because people fond hundreds of thousands of years ago that working together benefits more people and generally makes life easier.

That's not what we're talking about and you know it.

 

[vantexan]

You said you never collected unemployment as if you believed it was the only form of socialism in the country. I pointed out that you have used MANY forms of socialist assitance, other than the ones you don't like, like extra help in buying food if one is low income, or rental assistance. I am sure you hate those, but sure don' mind paying for the police, or public roads, or the US Navy and Coast Guard, or the Border Patrol. Those are ALL socialist programs deigned to help some or all people here because no one can do it alone. You seem to dislike the social programs that help the poor, or just have a distain for those that may use the programs. Claiming that you have never collected unemployment seemed, as written, to state that those who may have used the program are somehow less worthy.

Never said any such thing about people collecting unemployment. If they need it they need it. But the government giving them an incentive to stay unemployed while many businesses go begging for workers isn't good for the country. And brother, I sat in the office many times at school because I didn't have lunch money. My mother had a ninth grade education and we lived in 2 rooms of an unfinished house. I worked for $1 an hr at 12 for 35 hrs a week pulling weeds in the Florida sun and have humped ever since. I said enough at 55 and looked for ways to get by without the idiocy. I have no problem with social assistance for those in dire need. You listen to Bacha who like a good communist twists things to attack anyone who believes in capitalism. The only thing in life that truly works is hard work. Even Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk have worked hard to get where they're at. What I object to isn't social services for the common good but rather the false belief that government can create a world where we can all do reasonably well with minimal effort. That's what guys like bacha are after. I've seen the aftermath of socialism gone wild in the former Soviet Union. Because guys like bacha can't help themselves and want to control everything and everyone we may end up like the USSR someday. We're seeing some pretty serious hints at that in our government now. But people have to find things out the hard way and lose decades of progress before figuring it out. Probably killing millions by starvation or war along the way. We're in deep doo doo with the debt now but y'all can't be told any different. It was a great country while it lasted.

 

[Working4the1%]

Never said any such thing about people collecting unemployment. If they need it they need it. But the government giving them an incentive to stay unemployed while many businesses go begging for workers isn't good for the country. And brother, I sat in the office many times at school because I didn't have lunch money. My mother had a ninth grade education and we lived in 2 rooms of an unfinished house. I worked for $1 an hr at 12 for 35 hrs a week pulling weeds in the Florida sun and have humped ever since. I said enough at 55 and looked for ways to get by without the idiocy. I have no problem with social assistance for those in dire need. You listen to Bacha who like a good communist twists things to attack anyone who believes in capitalism. The only thing in life that truly works is hard work. Even Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk have worked hard to get where they're at. What I object to isn't social services for the common good but rather the false belief that government can create a world where we can all do reasonably well with minimal effort. That's what guys like bacha are after. I've seen the aftermath of socialism gone wild in the former Soviet Union. Because guys like bacha can't help themselves and want to control everything and everyone we may end up like the USSR someday. We're seeing some pretty serious hints at that in our government now. But people have to find things out the hard way and lose decades of progress before figuring it out. Probably killing millions by starvation or war along the way. We're in deep doo doo with the debt now but y'all can't be told any different. It was a great country while it lasted.

Cowards head to Argentina

 

[vantexan]

Cowards head to Argentina

You haven't got the cojones to live overseas.

 

[Working4the1%]

You haven't got the cojones to live overseas.

Umm I’m a dual citizen

 

[yadig]

Umm I’m a dual citizen

Show me you’re papers

 

[vantexan]

Umm I’m a dual citizen

Russia and China?

 

[yadig]

Mexico

 

[Fred's Myth]

Umm I’m a dull citizen

fixed it for you

 

[bacha29]

Cowards head to Argentina

He headed down to join up with the rest of the Nazi's attempting to create a Fourth Reich .

 

[yadig]

It can’t be no worse than the Benito Mussolini running the show now

 

[dmac1]

“Most of us have heard banal quips of this variety too many times from educated people to assume that only uneducated rubes could mistake basic government functions and services with socialism, an ideology that involves “abolishing private ownership of the things we all need and use — factories, banks, offices, natural resources, utilities, communication and transportation infrastructure — and replacing it with social ownership, thereby undercutting the power of elites to hoard wealth and power.”

Socialism is Not ‘Public Roads’ and '911 Service'

Evidence suggests that socialism is becoming more popular in the United States Yet there is reason to believe this is at least partly because Americans are pretty much clueless as to what...

www.intellectualtakeout.org

Very very few on the left, who are not more than 1% of democrats are in favor of government ownership of business and only the uneducated MAGA crowd would make that mistake. Many countries considered as socialist by the wacked out right are fully democratically run with free and public elections.

The constitution DOES NOT side with either free capitalism or total socialism, in fact, it says that the constitution is being put in place to PROMOTE the GENERL WELFARE of the people. That allows for all manner of 'social' benefits for the people. ONLY the right is calling it socialism when the poor get help in buying food, while ignoring that they are benefitting from public expenditures on roads. And even those who detest SNAP, MUST admit, if being honest, that not having starving children with distended stomachs from malnutrition, as was common into the 1960s, is good for them as well..

If ownership of business is the definition of socialism you are going to use, SNAP, welfare, SSI, Medicare, etc are not socialism because they confer no ownership for the government. However, if ownership is what you are going to use, then roads, sewers systems, naval ships, public libraries, etc ARE socialist because they do have the government owning those . You need to decide which definition you are going to use if you want to say the public roads are not socialist in nature. You can't have it both ways.

 

[dmac1]

Don't know where you got your backward definition of conservatism, but I suspect it originated with YOU.


Conservatism, political doctrine that emphasizes the value of traditional institutions and practices.

Conservatism is a preference for the historically inherited rather than the abstract and ideal. This preference has traditionally rested on an organic conception of society—that is, on the belief that society is not merely a loose collection of individuals but a living organism comprising closely connected, interdependent members. Conservatives thus favor institutions and practices that have evolved gradually and are manifestations of continuity and stability. Government’s responsibility is to be the servant, not the master, of existing ways of life, and politicians must therefore resist the temptation to transform society and politics.

conservatism | History, Intellectual Foundations, & Examples

Conservatism, political doctrine that emphasizes the value of traditional institutions and practices and their gradual evolution under conditions of continuity and stability. They generally believe that government should be the servant, not the master, of existing ways of life.

www.britannica.com

Your highlighted quote is only an opinion, and you should know the difference.

 

[dmac1]

That's so incredibly stupid that it's hard to actually point out how stupid it really is.

Cavemen were these highly intelligent beings that mutual collaboration benefits society (they lived in groups of no more than a few hundred) and makes life easier, which is really saying something considering that they ate one another. Too bad they barely had any language at all outside of some grunts and couldn't write all this down, but you seem to think they figured it all out.

That out of the way, there is truth to the idea that people voluntarily working together benefits more people and generally makes life easier. In fact, it is the premise of capitalism -not socialism- and the concept was explored at length in Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations, first published in 1776.

What you posted is so silly that no one outside of Bacha would agree with it.

So the wacky right wants to go back to pre-cave man days to be free. I guess that is why they still want to use cave man technology like coal for heating and cooling. You need to conserve those cave man jobs like digging up coal or you just aren't conservative.

 

[dmac1]

I love it! "EVERYTHING IS SOCIALISM!!!"

Can we get the full progressive pants-on-head experience? Can you please argue that Jesus, Christianity, and assorted Bible verses support even the most extreme liberal positions, as others have claimed? Please?

Gathering fishes and loaves from those that have and giving them to those that don't have sounds like socialism with Jesus at the wheel.

 

[dmac1]

I love it! "EVERYTHING IS SOCIALISM!!!"

Can we get the full progressive pants-on-head experience? Can you please argue that Jesus, Christianity, and assorted Bible verses support even the most extreme liberal positions, as others have claimed? Please?

And to the right, nothing they are in favor of is socialism.

 

[dmac1]

Scroll back up to post #34, read, and pay attention this time.

Repeating yourself or even quoting others or yourself still doesn't make you right, no matter how often your say it or repeat it. Only the right thinks that repeating something over and over makes it true.

 

[dmac1]

That's not what we're talking about and you know it.

You HATE socialist programs and denounce socialism unless it benefits you. The definition of socialism is constantly changing for the right. Social programs that build new roads the government will own isn't socialism, but new programs that help other people pay doctor bills is socialism. . Riiiiiiiiight!!!!!