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I agree with you Meno !
Since most abortions are not public funded, and are private clinics, who has the money to pay for them ?
Pregnacy in Rape is God's Intent!
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I agree with you Meno !
Since most abortions are not public funded, and are private clinics, who has the money to pay for them ?
Well that's the point isn't it? If the swing states were all "moral states" that restricted access to abortion, then they would all be solidly against Obama.
Really you're chasing some kind of chicken and egg argument here. The fact is that if abortion really were illegal we would be a very different kind of country and the parties would probably have very different platforms. It's not like abortion would be illegal and everything else would be exactly the same.
wkmac
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If god hardened Pharaoh's heart, why should god not also have a hand in Herod's action? You mean Jesus came to be among us for the greater purpose of man's salvation and yet it was pure chance that he was executed to fulfill that mission?
Even Paul understood that god intertwined himself in the affairs of man in order to derive an outcome.
How did Jesus seem to know what his purpose and outcome would be if this was all left to pure chance and the pure free will of man?
What if the Sanhedrin had by it's free will choice never arrested Jesus and tried him by jewish law founding him guilty? What would god do then?
As I go back to my original point in what Mourdock said, whether we like the point or not, agree or disagree, from the bible he does have a point upon which he can stand. And thus from a bible perspective, was the rapist acting alone or was he acting per the hand of god and thus all outcomes would be according to god's will.
As a purely side note, the next time you hear someone proclaim they want to end the welfare state and you think of them as heartless and without compassion, read verse 15 above and ponder that thought. Besides, how can you not be sure that the person speaking is not in reality a messenger of god and acting according to god's own purpose? What might god have done to an Israelite who murdered Pharaoh while in the midst of the grand contest between Moses and Pharaoh thus denying god the chance to display his power for good? If Pharaoh was an "arm of the Lord" why is it no less a point of consideration that Hitler was an "arm of the Lord?" And if you think that question absurd, you should consider the book "The Trial of God" by Ellie Wiesel that was later made into a movie.
The entire film "God on Trail" is free on YouTube but this is "The Verdict" scene which makes the point. A esteemed Rabbi among them who had remained silent is now speaking and his words are deeply thought provoking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI
wkmac
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If you honestly believed that you'd be for abortion and want to federally fund it for the political outcome it presents you!
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Me's observation is ad hoc in nature and should be treated as such.
By private, you mean that abortions are paid for
by insurance provided by non-government employers
or
by non-profit organizations.
Actual abortions paid for by individuals are less than 3% of all abortions in the US.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Really, you are the one doing the chasing.
I was letting the hen sit on the eggs until you shooed her away.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Good God, I hate agreeing with you!
I don't agree with your premise that you can accurately predict a child's future political affiliation based on whether or not the mother supported abortion rights, life just isn't that simple. If it was, as mac pointed out, republicans (the smart ones) would all be in favor of abortion on demand as means of securing their own political dominance.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
That was why I qualified it with "almost all" ... I inserted the "almost" right before I clicked the submit button for the reason you give above.
Ever read Freakonomics? I think you would enjoy it.
Freakonomics Books
brett636
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So you don't think a mostly poor, democrat household is more likely to produce a democrat voter? Single mothers, by in large, are democrats, and they are also the largest demographic to seek out an abortion.
As far as wkmac goes he couldn't be more wrong. Unlike liberals my respect for life transcends my political desires. In fact, history shows it is not the conservative types that kill to maintain political dominance, it is your leftist radicals that do.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Like those two standards of leftyism Stalin and Hitler?
You're chasing your tail. If your ideas about political predestination were actually true then Roe v. Wade would have spelled the end of the line for democrats, yet here we are 40 years later and they still outnumber republicans.
Hitler was a commie, I read that somewhere...
BrownArmy
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The irony will be lost, no doubt, but points for trying.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
He thought he was a Socialist and included that in his party's name.
Mein Kampf and Das Kapital have many similarities.
brett636
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I'm not chasing my tail, you are ignoring the facts. Hoaxsters original comment that Obama could be cruising to a win right now is spot on if Roe v. Wade had gone the other way.
Considering the fact that the poorest of americans who pay no taxes all LIVE IN RED STATES that votes republican. If your point is valid, then republican states would have the highest number of abortions per capita along with WHITE WOMEN who make up the majority of welfare recepients.
Thanks for the confirmation. (p.s. the shirt is on the way)
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TOS
He did it for political reasons, socialism was popular and he wanted to people to think he was a socialist. His main opposition was the Social Democratic Party (who really were socialists) so he came up with "National Socialists" as a way of differentiating. He hated communists with a passion, he rounded them all up even quicker than the jews. He also claimed to be a devout christian who was doing the lord's work by eradicating the jews (David Hagee agrees with him on this apparently).
I don't think he was really any political "ism", my own opinion is that he was a psychotic dictator and master manipulator who did whatever he felt was necessary and assigned it whatever label he felt was convenient.
What facts am I ignoring? That 40 years after Roe v. Wade there are more democrats than republicans? If your ideas about political predestination are true, then how did that happen?
