so did obama just screw our 2013 contract? (health care)
- Thread starter bscott85
- Start date
klein
Für Meno :)
Unlike you guys, UPS pays barely a pension here. Only $50 per year of service. 20 year service = $900 pension (first 2 years don't count).
So, it's not bad to be forced to pay into Canada Pension with every paycheck. That aleast will pay for the basic needs, if a citizen can't save fore retirement on thier own.
And average of $1500 - $2000 per month is the norm for anyone that worked 25 years here (combined with old age security - another government bennie for all citizens 65 and older).
But, I know you, Lue.
They should scrap your SS now, before it goes bankrupt on it's own. Maybe use whatsever in it, to pay down some of that National debt ?
Maybe, if they would have charged everyone for it, for the true cost it is, it wouldn't be going belly up ?
But, no. US can't have taxes like other countries, so they give it away (basically), until the money runs out.
Healthcare going the same way. Go figure.
Klein I hate to do this to you but your not giving everyone the full information on your taxes. My other half lives in canada and Im there all the time so I do know happen to know about your other little tax(GST) that in the US we call sales tax. You guys pay an extra 5%(approximately) on everything you buy wich adds up very quickly and my understanding is that your income tax is approximately 10% higher but I dont have a good understanding on that one yet. Just from comparisons w/ the rest of her family.
klein
Für Meno :)
Thats my true pay check as it is. If you wanna bet on it, l'll bet my house and all my savings.
Yup, I pay a 5% GST on all new goods and services (excluding food and medication - thats not taxed).
On the other hand Florida charged me 6.5% sales tax.
I don't pay an extra sales tax here in Alberta, since we don't have one.
The looks of my paycheck , I paid 18% income tax, which sounds about right.
If you only pay 8% income tax, then good for you.
Klein come on bro, unless its only in vacouver your leaving out the other 7% tax that you pay. Its actually 5+7 %= 12%. Im not calling you a liar. I dont know enough about your income tax to debate it intelligently so I will shut up about it but you do pay alot more in taxes on goods as stated above.
klein
Für Meno :)
Every province has thier own taxes. If British Columbia has 7% provincial tax, thats very much possibe. It differs from province to provine, like your state taxes do.
Alberta doesn't have a provincial ("state") tax..... so all we pay is the 5%. (GST is federal sales tax, - all Canadawide).
You didn't know BC (British Columbia) stands for "Bring Cash" ??
Defiintly 1 of the most expensive places to live, with one of the highest taxes.
Your other half will even tell you that.
Come visit Calgary, Banff, Jasper, or Edmonton 1 day. Just 5% total sales tax here.
Alberta doesn't have a provincial ("state") tax..... so all we pay is the 5%. (GST is federal sales tax, - all Canadawide).
You didn't know BC (British Columbia) stands for "Bring Cash" ??
Defiintly 1 of the most expensive places to live, with one of the highest taxes.
Your other half will even tell you that.
Come visit Calgary, Banff, Jasper, or Edmonton 1 day. Just 5% total sales tax here.
Wow didnt know that. She did confirm it as well. Thats good to know. You know Vancouver seems to be the retirment home for the rich. She has a 850 square foot condo that is valued at almost 400k over there. Its funny cuz I have the same thing on Washington minus her awesume view of course and mines only worth $80k. LoL.
klein
Für Meno :)
So, she's going to eventually move south ?
And yes, housing is much more expensive north, the south. Even in Edmonton a condo in average is $280K, small houses start at $400K.
Thats what a lot of Canadians do, they downsize or sell thier home, and buy in Arizona or Florida a vacation home for 6 mths.
Yes in septemberish when we get married. We are going to keep her condo up there and my 2 places in WA. We will live here till I retire and then I dont care where we go. Shes a physical therapist and personal trainer so her job can go anywhere cuz shes licensed in the US and canada. By the way my 1300square foot house in a nice neighborhood in WA is only $180k.
klein
Für Meno :)
Lucky you. Keeps options open. Sitting darn pretty good ! Congrats in advance for the marriage !
For my 2 cents. My health insurance was running me $75 dollars a month with an HSA and worldwide EVAC (since I traveled 2 months a year outside of the US) to the US when I was in my late 30’s (in the years 2005-2008). (without world wide EVAC insurance it was only 40 a month!!!!) I had a 5000 deductible and a 2 million dollar cap. I was able to put $5000 a year into my HSA – reducing my taxable income by $5000 a year – just like a traditional IRA.
EVAC back to the US? If our health insurance is so bad – should I not be EVACed back to Cuba? I’ve been to Cuba three times and I have plenty of stories about there health care. Including the night I was in Havana. It was Christmas Eve and my Friend and I meet some ladies that we could not take back to our hotel “because they where Cuban”. The ladies knew where to go and at 2am on Christmas day we kicked out a Doctor and his wife out of their 2 bed room house for $75USD. They left crying and thanking us for the money. I use to travel 2 months a year.
To think that these young people who are going to pay $3000 in taxes on their “Free” health insurance is crazy considering they could be building up money in their HSA and retire early with no worries.
EVAC back to the US? If our health insurance is so bad – should I not be EVACed back to Cuba? I’ve been to Cuba three times and I have plenty of stories about there health care. Including the night I was in Havana. It was Christmas Eve and my Friend and I meet some ladies that we could not take back to our hotel “because they where Cuban”. The ladies knew where to go and at 2am on Christmas day we kicked out a Doctor and his wife out of their 2 bed room house for $75USD. They left crying and thanking us for the money. I use to travel 2 months a year.
To think that these young people who are going to pay $3000 in taxes on their “Free” health insurance is crazy considering they could be building up money in their HSA and retire early with no worries.
hmmm...I'm not sure how renting a room for $75 a night so that you could sleep with a prostitute equates to a cautionary tale about the Cuban health care system
The union negotiates our wages and benefits based on the financial performance of UPS.
Record profits, 72% salary increase to our CEO, and a rather large salary increase to our Teamster president !!!
I would think we would not get screwed because of the affordable health care act !!!
i am however waiting to see who the Teamsters support as our next President of the USA !
Apples to Oranges I would certainly not expect it to be Romney, as he likes the words ( your fired ).
Record profits, 72% salary increase to our CEO, and a rather large salary increase to our Teamster president !!!
I would think we would not get screwed because of the affordable health care act !!!
i am however waiting to see who the Teamsters support as our next President of the USA !
Apples to Oranges I would certainly not expect it to be Romney, as he likes the words ( your fired ).
brown_trousers
Well-Known Member
wonderful care??... lol... At UPS, the health care is not "wonderful care", its a necessity of life because we work a very physically demanding job. We're like a car that is overly abused on the road every day, our bodies are going to require more maintenance than others.... but now... we have to pay tax on that maintenance!
Healthcare is a great thing! The question is, who should have the burden to pay for it? Many of us don't believe we should have the burden of paying for someone else's healthcare. Not to mention the millions of us on the edge of losing our houses to foreclosure. The future cost of Obamacare is just the nail in the coffin to push those people right off the financial ledge!
TechGrrl
Space Cadet
Prediction:
IF President Obama is re-elected, THEN the 2013 contract is negotiated fairly easily, although the company WILL attempt to put some of the cost of healthcare on the employee. (They've been squeezing this out of management for the last several years, so there is no more blood in that turnip.) They will spend a lot of time talking about non-union competition pricing us out of a lot of markets. (They are right, BTW, so some flexibility in this area would probably be a good idea.)
On the other hand,
IF Mitt Romney is elected, THEN you guys are screwed. With a hard-right administration in control, the company may very well go all-in, even taking a strike to cripple the union. Doubt me? Go google what Caterpillar just did to it's employees. Cat made no bones about it; they are profitable, they are solid, everything is looking good for them. Didn't matter. They were going to squeeze the troops, and they did.
If Karl Rove and the Koch Brothers can make believable "thugs" out of kindergarten teachers, imagine how much easier it will be when the word "Teamsters" is in play. Get used to the phrase "gold-plated benefits" and "outrageous pensions for early retirement", because you will be hearing them a lot.
At this point, you guys are about the last well-paid union jobs with benefits left out there. You can't be outsourced to China, so you have to be brought to heel some other way.
By all means, vote for Mitt Romney. Then kiss your pay and benefits goodbye.
I'm not suggesting this is fair, or ethical. I think it stinks. I also think it will happen, because too many working people just can't figure out how the right wing is screwing them. I don't want my niece and nephew, and their kids growing up as corporate serfs. But that is where this country is headed: a corporate plutocracy where the 1/10th of 1% take it all, and we get the 'tinkle down' from the 'job creators'. Bah...
IF President Obama is re-elected, THEN the 2013 contract is negotiated fairly easily, although the company WILL attempt to put some of the cost of healthcare on the employee. (They've been squeezing this out of management for the last several years, so there is no more blood in that turnip.) They will spend a lot of time talking about non-union competition pricing us out of a lot of markets. (They are right, BTW, so some flexibility in this area would probably be a good idea.)
On the other hand,
IF Mitt Romney is elected, THEN you guys are screwed. With a hard-right administration in control, the company may very well go all-in, even taking a strike to cripple the union. Doubt me? Go google what Caterpillar just did to it's employees. Cat made no bones about it; they are profitable, they are solid, everything is looking good for them. Didn't matter. They were going to squeeze the troops, and they did.
If Karl Rove and the Koch Brothers can make believable "thugs" out of kindergarten teachers, imagine how much easier it will be when the word "Teamsters" is in play. Get used to the phrase "gold-plated benefits" and "outrageous pensions for early retirement", because you will be hearing them a lot.
At this point, you guys are about the last well-paid union jobs with benefits left out there. You can't be outsourced to China, so you have to be brought to heel some other way.
By all means, vote for Mitt Romney. Then kiss your pay and benefits goodbye.
I'm not suggesting this is fair, or ethical. I think it stinks. I also think it will happen, because too many working people just can't figure out how the right wing is screwing them. I don't want my niece and nephew, and their kids growing up as corporate serfs. But that is where this country is headed: a corporate plutocracy where the 1/10th of 1% take it all, and we get the 'tinkle down' from the 'job creators'. Bah...
Overpaid Union Thug
Well-Known Member
This is another post that proves that liberalism is a mental disorder. And that certain people in our society should be rendered unable to reproduce.
TechGrrl
Space Cadet
Reality has a liberal bias. For their warmup act, look at what the GOP did in all the states that went totally red in 2010. They immediately went to their ALEC playbooks and started in on unions.
Name calling doesn't change reality, my friend. Those who have no fact-based counter arguments generally go straight to ad hominem attacks.
brown_trousers
Well-Known Member
I believe you have this illusion that liberals still support us labor unions. We all know they make BIG promises to us to gain our support to get elected. But when it comes down to it, all they want are our votes. After they get elected they have every intention of kicking us to the curb. Its sad that liberals have evolved into this as they use to be our biggest supporters
This "liberal" Obama presidency has damaged our unions future more in just 4 years than Bush's presidency did in his whole 8 years. He has stripped our union's rights to negotiate for our benefits and imposed "Cadillac health care" tax implications that will cost us teamsters thousands of dollars per year. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing! Despite what he might claim, he does not support unions, and/or is unwilling to really push for union rights.
We now know the path which president Obama is taking as president, as we have witnessed it for the last 4 years, re-elect him for another term and see what other rights he can strip from us unions. He took away our rights to negotiate for health care, maybe next time he'll take away our rights to negotiate for wages.
TechGrrl
Space Cadet
Don't know how you figure that the Affordable Health Care act strips your rights to negotiate for health care. That's simply not true. But, hey, if you think that a Romney administration would be more labor-friendly, in the face of all evidence provided by the 2010 elections, go right ahead.
Similar threads
