TearsInRain
IE boogeyman
what do you mean back to? these people probably never set foot in a real package center
that’s not to say they still weren’t essential though
Sounds like the Transformation is starting
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that’s not to say they still weren’t essential though
I just was hoping they would give them an opportunity elsewhere in the company. I'm sure Amazon wouldn't mind snagging them up...
Old Man Jingles
Rat out of a cage
Old Man Jingles
Rat out of a cage
These are IT developers.
Smashmouth
Well-Known Member
If IT developers = ORION creators...well then I’m sorry to see you go!!!
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
I still remember when I had a computer issue many moons ago and called that tech support number. I could not understand a word he was saying because of his accent. I came to the conclusion that I would rather fix it myself than go through that headache again. The one thing you learn early on about UPS is that you have to adapt to your environment real quick or suffer the consequences.
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
They could all go the Disney, they are always hiring.
Dragon
Package Center Manager
Well things have started to get very interesting in the district. Several positions done away with or moved, more with less. Not sure who is going to cover the processes that were developed because adding another automatic email from Sharepoint does nothing. Peak is just around the corner and we are in no way prepared for it. Flex-PT Supervisor job....who created it and why, it is the worst job ever created at UPS. If you have these in your operation you know what I am talking about. It solves/fixes/helps squat...just make it a regular PT Supervisor position we will get more out of it I promise you.
Those of you that are being forced to leave UPS, thank you for everything you have done to make us great at UPS. Unfortunately it is not the same UPS you joined or heard of many years ago. We are turning into just another Corporate entity, I am hopeful with the skills you have developed here or came here with that you will find great success in future. Do not look back at UPS and wish you were still here, look forward to working a "normal job" and spend all the time you have enjoying family or what ever brings you happiness. Once again thank you for everything.
Dragon
Those of you that are being forced to leave UPS, thank you for everything you have done to make us great at UPS. Unfortunately it is not the same UPS you joined or heard of many years ago. We are turning into just another Corporate entity, I am hopeful with the skills you have developed here or came here with that you will find great success in future. Do not look back at UPS and wish you were still here, look forward to working a "normal job" and spend all the time you have enjoying family or what ever brings you happiness. Once again thank you for everything.
Dragon
We had a few managers forced out with a similar VRP package last week. The transformation group informed the dept manager that she had to cut more managers after the first phase. It’s sad because they are in their mid to late 40s and there are a number of older managers who passed on vrp and division managers managing specialists who are of age.
UPSWorkerUPS
Member
At the end of the day good or bad we all work at UPS and at times we disagree with the way things are handled (union or non union). With that said we count on UPS for a pay check and many of us have families so when someone is cut or removed it's not easy. It's sounding like we are just at the start of this, best of luck to everyone. The industry is changing fast and so is UPS! What we do today may not be what we do tomorrow, that has become the norm and it's not unique to UPS.
Old Man Jingles
Rat out of a cage
The UPS Culture has devolved to a Motivational poster to hang on the wall.
Urbanitism
Member
Well, heard from 10s of my co-workers in IT and it is pretty sad to say the least. I hope Mr. DA and Juan P are sleeping well. Grown up men in tears of fears of losing their jobs after spending 30+ years yet the are not 55 yet. Shipping jobs to India, laying off people who are two months, a year or two away from retirement is not UPS wrong is criminal. We work nights, weekends, days, holidays whatever it takes to staff the shifts yet now we are no good. You can do better. Do not replace jobs and fill openings with partners who gave it their all. Confusing as you are still promoting the DMs friends and look a-like but letting others down if they are not drinking or partying buddies. Shameful and for JP to do this for a guy who comes from operation and supposedly knows partnership is shocking. No conscious, no faith, no shame and no heart. Simply stated. BTW, if you need more people to retire, why did not you make it 55 and over instead of 58. Why not open it to people based on service years instead of age. Ruining people's lives should matter if you are a decent person. I am wondering if they are decent. Leadership must speak and address this storm in more clarity than nonsense. People, family, UPSers matter. Do you care?
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Old Man Jingles
Rat out of a cage
Committees and groups do not have a conscious.
I doubt Juan made this decision on his own.
The Board and other members of the Management Committee made that decision after consultants made a presentation. The CIO may be on the Management Committee but he is the lowest person in that group and basically must do as they are told. The CIO is on the Management Committee so he/she can understand the strategy of the company and develop technical solutions to support them.
I know Dave B was continuously frustrated as CIO at his lack of power and honestly respect from the other committee members.
When you accept a position at higher and higher levels within the organization, you have to put aside what you feel and believe in ... just execute.
I would think IT people who have real skills would have no problem getting a job.
There are hundreds of thousands of IT job unfilled because capable people are not looking for jobs.
It's some consolation but losing your pension and health care from retirement until 65 is a big hit.
I feel sorry for the people getting the shaft.
I realize I was very lucky to be the age I was when I retired with 40 years at age 58 five and a half years ago.
Anybody hired after 1992 is marginalized in protection offered to a "PARTNER".
I know! I hated to use the word partner because that all ended when we went public.
Popeye
Well-Known Member
Anxiously awaiting to see some high-level heads rolling. They are the ones responsible for the mess that now has to be fixed. Gutmann seems like a good pick. She friend'ed up that big salesforce.com project big time. And the new guy on the management committee from Xerox has a sales background. Maybe she'll be "pursuing personal interests" sometime soon.
Urbanitism
Member
Do not understand the "anybody hired after 1992 is marginalized" comment. what difference if you were hired before?
Old Man Jingles
Rat out of a cage
I think the year was 1992 ... it may have been 1995 upon further reflection. ???
Anyone whose memory is better ... feel free to correct me and add to it.
All this is for non-Union employees:
Years before 1992 - non-Union employee got 3 x $250 for each year prior to 1992 for their UPS Retiree health Insurance. After 1992, it was just one year.
The retirement Pension was changed in 1992 so that it was reduced. Employees retiring after 1992 got less monthly payout.
Raises were curtailed and more strict pay brackets were imposed.
There were other changes as well but I don't remember them.
Urbanitism
Member
Does anyone know the number of people impacted, circumstances and what these people status is? Is it true that someone has two months to retirement but they are letting him go? Are they offering them alternate jobs or placing them in other jobs? Very concerning for our partners. are these folks hourly or Management? what Management level impacted?
Popeye
Well-Known Member
I believe it was 1991. That’s also when medical insurance was “enhanced” for the first time. Used to cover pretty much everything 100% until then. Before that dept managers could give anyone whatever raise they wanted to, whenever they wanted to.
Old Man Jingles
Rat out of a cage
Thanks -- oh yeah, how did I forget that enhancement.
They didn't call it Enhancements until Allen H. took over HR around 2003.
Urbanitism
Member
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