Strike in Chicago?

[tieguy]

Why does he need to shave? Ptimers do not need to shave and can barely afford to drive to work. But yet a scab like yourself feels like judging someone. Unless you have something insightful to add your scab opinion is not welcome. You couldnt vote on your contract because you are not even a teamster ups driver, you lost that right when you withdrew form the teamsters. When you start having a say so in your contract maybe you can speak on ours!

not a very professional presentation by the guy. When it comes time to court public opinion he won't sell well.

Sats opinions are welcome here too me. Thats one thing I enjoy about this site is the diversity of opinions and perspectives from all walks of brown life.

Take a step back and take a deep breath Red. You're getting too worked up.

 

[tieguy]

Tie, how many days have I been reading in your posts that should it come to a labor disruption in Chicago, the company will be all too willing to bypass those loads and redirect them elsewhere in the country, which a reasonable person would conclude will create more work for others elsewhere. Now you'd like us to believe it would immediately jeopardize all that the innocent stand to loose.

Dawg I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence. UPS knows how to move packages. If chicago walks then we bypass the area. In my humble opinion I think 705 walking would cost them. UPS can not allow one local to shut down the country. 705 members are fooling theirselves if they believe they can strike for any length of time and then come back to the same work they had. This of course is my opinion. All of this is mute because I firmly believe this soap opera will end on time.

 

[tieguy]

no ups does not care about them will not raise starting pt wage

Ah so you're telling us you guys just take whatever ups offers?

two way street my friend. Union does not care about the p/t starting wage.

 

[tieguy]

still wrong there are about 19,000 members in 705 12,000 of which are upsers and 3230 of those teamsters voted so doing math it comes out 2 27%

you still missed the point brownie.

 

[IDoLessWorkThanMost]

27% is putrid, just start there... ughhh

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

still wrong there are about 19,000 members in 705 12,000 of which are upsers and 3230 of those teamsters voted so doing math it comes out 2 27%

There are approx. 200,000 UPS Teamsters. You had approx. 2,000 yes votes. That is 1%. 1% should not influence 99%. Simple math.

 

[But Benefits Are Great!]

Just wondering - Is it possible to not be pro or anti union, not be pro or anti company, but just be pro-employed?

The way everyone talks in black & white (If you are not with us, you are against us) is scary. I just want my job.

 

[U(s)PS Guy]

There are approx. 200,000 UPS Teamsters. You had approx. 2,000 yes votes. That is 1%. 1% should not influence 99%. Simple math.

I figured it out guys...the reason 705 is so reluctant to join the NMA is that they don't even know that Teamsters exist outside the 705!

 

[rod]

Just wondering - Is it possible to not be pro or anti union, not be pro or anti company, but just be pro-employed?

The way everyone talks in black & white (If you are not with us, you are against us) is scary. I just want my job.

I believe this is the way everyone starts out their 1st week at UPS. Funny how it don't take long to lean one way or the other

 

[1989]

Just wondering - Is it possible to not be pro or anti union, not be pro or anti company, but just be pro-employed?

The way everyone talks in black & white (If you are not with us, you are against us) is scary. I just want my job.

Jim Casey said it was possible to be a good employee and and good union member at the same time. The teamsters have always said it's them against us.

 

[do what you want]

Just remember that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If the union wants to push, the company should push back. Remember the steel companies....look at the automotive industry. Doesn't the union see the writing on the wall. Sounds like the leadership of the union is looking out for their own political agenda and not the wellness of the members. They need financial advisors and not a new contract. See everyone Aug 1st....Ill be at work.

 

[Dutch Dawg]

Tie, how many days have I been reading in your posts that should it come to a labor disruption in Chicago, the company will be all too willing to bypass those loads and redirect them elsewhere in the country, which a reasonable person would conclude will create more work for others elsewhere. Now you'd like us to believe it would immediately jeopardize all that the innocent stand to loose.

Dawg I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence. UPS knows how to move packages. If chicago walks then we bypass the area. In my humble opinion I think 705 walking would cost them. UPS can not allow one local to shut down the country. 705 members are fooling theirselves if they believe they can strike for any length of time and then come back to the same work they had. This of course is my opinion. All of this is mute because I firmly believe this soap opera will end on time

Well back on post #142 of this thread I believe you stated:

When chicagoans say united we stand what the really mean is:

I won't join everyone else when they talk contract.

I'll have mine later

I'll look to better whatever you get.

I'll look for your help if my seperate talks go sour.

I'll look for you to risk your house and personal finances supporting me if my special talks go sour.

So where you should have symbiotic unionism instead you have a parasitic union relationship where chicago gets all the benifits.

Which led me to believe you were implying those UPS employees elsewhere in the country (the Innocents) would be at risk of loosing their homes and savings as a result of any work action that could result from lack of a contract in Chicago. Now perhaps you meant something other than that in this inciteful post and I misunderstood, it is difficult for me to keep up when someone talks out of both sides of their mouth. Either the company would divert this work to other regions, creating additional work and income for those areas or the other regions will be dipping into their savings and missing mortage payments as you've most recently implied in this drama. What's it gonna be?


Let's be honest here with each other. All of your commentary in any of the threads relative to current negotations in Chicago has carried a tone intent upon creating as much dissention and unrest in others as possible based primarily on your opinion as opposed to hard fact. You're just throwing stuff out there to get a negative reaction. I know you've cautioned me against anaylizing...but I can't help it. Is everything ok Tie? You seem so unhappy....oops,deja vue.

 

[But Benefits Are Great!]

Two words - Armed Rebellion. Who's with me?

 

[Grumpyed63]

You are divided, why dont you see that? The 705 and the 710 have isolated themselves from the National, they made that decision, they could be part of the National have a strong local and still hold up any NMA, for the better of the National but no they feel they deserve better, every other brother and sister out there, right 705?

710 hasn't isolated itself. Our contract is retro. This is all 705 not 710. 705 has isolated themselves.

 

[looper804]

The world is not going to end on July 31, geez all one has to do is read Nostradamus to know we have until 2012

The book I read said 2011,sure hope your right and im wrong.

 

[broncobros1]

Well back on post #142 of this thread I believe you stated:



Which led me to believe you were implying those UPS employees elsewhere in the country (the Innocents) would be at risk of loosing their homes and savings as a result of any work action that could result from lack of a contract in Chicago. Now perhaps you meant something other than that in this inciteful post and I misunderstood, it is difficult for me to keep up when someone talks out of both sides of their mouth. Either the company would divert this work to other regions, creating additional work and income for those areas or the other regions will be dipping into their savings and missing mortage payments as you've most recently implied in this drama. What's it gonna be?


Let's be honest here with each other. All of your commentary in any of the threads relative to current negotations in Chicago has carried a tone intent upon creating as much dissention and unrest in others as possible based primarily on your opinion as opposed to hard fact. You're just throwing stuff out there to get a negative reaction. I know you've cautioned me against anaylizing...but I can't help it. Is everything ok Tie? You seem so unhappy....oops,deja vue.

I can't believe that I haven't checked the board lately! This is hysterical! I hope that they do strike...have been waiting for it a long time. I believe that ever since the '97 debauchery the company has been expanding and reaching into other avenues to get the job done. When it comes down to it, excluding all of the rebel-rousing talk, the simple fact is that people will need to work to feed their families! I wonder if the strike fund will be more than last time...$50 for two weeks! You yahoos should be all over your "union" about that! I never knew that Teamsters and the Mob rhymed...

 

[upsdude]

Locals that have signed on for local 705 support and picket line extensions are NORCAL Marty Frates, locals 396 and 63 in south california, locals 804 and 25 with more callimg as we speak. I guess chicagos not in this alone after all.

Heres a link to our strike vote turnout.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7BY8K4H1k8

Red,

I'm in 804, I wouldn't expect too much support from the officers. Our local doesn't stand behind it's own members, much less you guys.

From the looks of that UPS offer you guys should have signed on to the NM agreement.

 

[Proud to stand]

I figured it out guys...the reason 705 is so reluctant to join the NMA is that they don't even know that Teamsters exist outside the 705!

Did 705 honor the national strike in 1994 over the 150 lb weights?
Did 705 honor the national strike in 1997?
From reading your posts you are not even a teamster now are you? Why Did you vote against the teamsters? because it would cost you jobs, right? But yet you feel free to throw jabs at a local that has its members best interest at hand. If you read 705 proposals from the company you can see that it would cost them jobs. Your not happy with a local that will give you a bad contract and your not happy with a local that wants a fair contract.

Let me ask all of you how many sick days do you get? 705 gets none.
Do you get paid your birthday? 705 does not
How many optional days? 705 gets 2
Now maybe some of you dont get this too, but some areas do. How can this happen if everyones under the same national?

How did local 804 restore their 25 and out pension? By turning down ups's original offer holding up the national. Whats different with 705 and 710? Because they negotiate seperate? Thats not whats important right now, what is important that this gets resolved hopefully without a strike.

I saw a post were someone said that 705 was highballing the pension by asking for $60 per week. Did the national not get $40 per week? Its not an outrageous highball, asking for $200 would be.

705 wants to address starting wages for ptimers, this i applaud them for it. What will minimum wage be in 2013? $8 an hour was good pay when minimum wage was at $3 an hour now ptimers will lose medical to.

705 fight for your members and realize that only a small percent of ups employees are on these type of chatrooms. You have alot of support from across the country from people that are sick of the ups arrogance. Raise that starting wage and protect what you have won or 97 was for nothing.

 

[local804]

There are approx. 200,000 UPS Teamsters. You had approx. 2,000 yes votes. That is 1%. 1% should not influence 99%. Simple math.

200,000 teamsters that have nothing to do with 705s strike vote? What are you talking about upstate?

 

[local804]

Red,

I'm in 804, I wouldn't expect too much support from the officers. Our local doesn't stand behind it's own members, much less you guys.

From the looks of that UPS offer you guys should have signed on to the NM agreement.

Thanks for the chuckle, what BA might you have upsdude. Even if they were part of the NM and their vote did not pass, we would still not have a completed deal. You get to retire at 25 and out correct?