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thesignman
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UPs drivers work too dang hard and make too much money to be part of the Obama system. $250,000 is not really a lot of money today. A husband or a wife working at UPS and their spouse working at a good job get very close to that amount. We work our tails off, are micro-managed and deserve every penny we get! Why should we pay more taxes to pay for the rif-raf social liberals that just want a check? Obama's approval rating is at 41%. 41% of Americans, or may I say imigrants just get a check and pay no taxes or have any income other than the check they get from the goverment. Go figure. 41 % of the load votes for him. I don't think I would feel comfortable having the amount that I pay for DRIVE taken out of my dues stopped. I don't really trust the UNION. They will just stab you in the back if you need them for a termiation. The SQUEKY wheel gets the grease. How many just terrible drivers get fired and get work. How about that guy that got fired and never came back for some miniscual thing and another guy totally screws up all the time, rolls aways , tier 3's or what ever and always comes back. I think most drivers are conservative and want to keep their paycheck and not pay for these free loader. I think we need our own UNION and not the Teamsters For Barak OBAMA. Our Union needs a big change, we need representation, but not from a bunch of social liberal, communist, marxtists Obama loving idiots. 2012 will be a very important election. Whoever you vote for, vote your concious. Wait till they tax our health insurance. Nothing is free.
Re-read the blather you just wrote. LOL!
And the republican plan to "cut the deficit" includes cutting taxes for the richest!! LOL Yeah, that'll do it. Allow to them to pay only 25 % instead of 35 %!! They are already at the lowest rate since the 1920s. Before any person has to contribute to lowering the deficit, the rich and powerful in this country have to start paying their fair share. Up until 1961, the richest paid 90% tax rate; before 1981, they paid 70%; by 1986 , they were at 28%; Bush Sr got them to 31% and Clinton got them to 39.6%; Bush jr lowered them down to 35%. Time they start paying their fair share!!
You call yourself a union guy?? It was the liberals and socialists and communists who created the union movement in this country!! It was those on the left who gave us the 40hour workweek, NOT THE CONSERVATIVES!! It was the left who ended child labor, NOT THE CONSERVATIVES!! It was the left who fought for collective bargaining, NOT THE CONSERVATIVES!! It was the left who pushed for pensions and benefits, NOT THE CONSERVATIVES!! It was the left that pushed for minumum wage, NOT THE CONSERVATIVES!! I could go on and on here. A matter of fact I cant think of one conservative idea that has lead to any progress in this country. They bring nothing to the table but, "ME ME ME". They are the ideology of : trust the boss, trust the CEO, trust the speculator, trust the banker, trust the mine owner-they know best. They are the ideology of the government should only be there to reward the winners and the powerful; a government that protects investments but not workers rights or our health or fairness or standards or democracy. Again, name something that moved us forward, that helped us progress, that the conservatives have pushed or implemented !!
Catatonic
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I find this amusing since the only thing you glorified was your ME ME ME. More power to you! LOL
thesignman
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Back then they(we) were called democrats, not no more. We grew up, payed are bills, and want to keep our lifestyles, our feedoms and our money and not be a country like Cuba. I served in the US Navy, have a college degree and know what work is. I, as well as others, fought to keep our free from Tyrany and liberalism. What did you do?
thesignman
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thesignman
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Your right. I am not a union guy. I pay a fee, they represent me in negotiations regarding my pay, thats all. Thats all I want, don't support communism or liberalism.
Integrity
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Himself.
My point was they are the party/ideology of the selfish, the ones that only relate to themselves as opposed to an ideology that looks out for the common good, the ones that relate to others besides themselves. In a nutshell, the cons are the party of "me, me , me" and the libs are the party of "we, we, we".
College? hmmm? Anyway you served in the Navy to keep us "free from Tyranny and liberalism"?? So you served to end Social Security, Medicare, the GI Bill, environmental regulations, OSHA regulations, food safety laws, civil rights, women's equal rights, unions, the minimum wage, etc?? What a "patriot"! LOL
Don't you remember the great patriotic war we fought to protect the country from "liberalism"?
804,
You hit the nail on the head. Some people just dont realize what they are saying. They have been told what to say , how to say it and never take the time to understand what they have been told.
Everyone of the "talking points" in this guys quotes are from Rush Limbaugh, who makes the same claims for his listeners even though he NEVER served in the military and dodged military service with a "fake" injury on his rear end.
It is extremely laughable to read something like this from a service member. They are the largest recepients of "liberalism" of any goverment worker. Healthcare, GI bill, VA loans, debt relief etc etc etc.
I hope this guy re-thinks his service to his country and what he actually served for.
Peace.
Dont you find it amuzing how those "who" believe they are right wing conservatives on this board would rather wipe out unions, union contracts and union influence on businesses in this country?
We use a term in labor, and thats called "industry standard". This standard helps to equalize pay and benefits for other workers in similiar industries. In other words, those of us who benefit from a good living wage try to "pull up" our counter parts to our pay levels.
Instead of embracing this concept, the right wingers would rather have our "counterparts" who are making less in pay and benefits "pull us down" to lower pay and benefits.
They say this without hesitation. As if it was a good thing to LOWER industry standards for pay and benefits.
Look at Boeing, they are attempting to circumvent the union by moving a part of the operation to a right to work state and evading "industry standards" for union workers.
They would rather move around the country looking for workers who would accept lower pay and no benefits than keep americans with a living wage working.
Peace.
We use a term in labor, and thats called "industry standard". This standard helps to equalize pay and benefits for other workers in similiar industries. In other words, those of us who benefit from a good living wage try to "pull up" our counter parts to our pay levels.
Instead of embracing this concept, the right wingers would rather have our "counterparts" who are making less in pay and benefits "pull us down" to lower pay and benefits.
They say this without hesitation. As if it was a good thing to LOWER industry standards for pay and benefits.
Look at Boeing, they are attempting to circumvent the union by moving a part of the operation to a right to work state and evading "industry standards" for union workers.
They would rather move around the country looking for workers who would accept lower pay and no benefits than keep americans with a living wage working.
Peace.
thesignman
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You have no idea what you are talking about. I resent the fact that you are saying that I served in our armed forces to do any of these things. What the hell did you do? We are a free country because countless Americans have given their lives to insure your freedom to think that way you do. Why can't I deny my dues from going to DRIVE? Or on the other hand, just have the union just negotiate my wage? You do not understand, the union works for me. I pay them 900 bucks a year. Did you serve? Or did you just get in line for food stamps and burn our flag. People in need should and will be taken care of, and will. Free loaders on the other hand should probably just work a little harder at being self sufficeint. What do you think? If you are a driver, have you seen how bad our customers are doing? They are scared, layed off countless people leaving the ones left to a very stressfull job, shipping less and holding off on any hiring or capitol improvements till your beloved president is gone. 85% of these companies are not union. But they are our customers and do try take care of the employees that are left. America, we need a change.
thesignman
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Are you jelous that you did not serve your country? No I did not get any debt releif but I am paying for more of it than I want to. You are a poser.
thesignman
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Move to Cuba.
KEVCAVON,
Are you inclined to think before you post? Just curious as your rants are so full of hypocrisys it isnt even funny. You are completely free to withdraw from or not participate in DRIVE. This is a completely "VOLUNTARY" contribution and the Teamsters do not force anyone to participate in it.
How many times have you asked large corporations to reduce the price of goods you purchase to reflect your unwillingness to contribute to political action committees? Or do you only object to unions making political donations?
You have no idea if "I" or anyone else on this board has served in the military, but I can assure you, all those nuts on right wing radio NEVER served our country in any capacity either. El RUshbo, the biggest poser of them all, talks like he's so experienced with the military, but when it came time for him to serve , he chose to object because he said he had a BOIL on his rectum.
The guy barely finished high school, and only made half the first semester in college as a freshman before he quit earning straight friend's. With no formal education behind him, his legions of followers grasp his every word.
You referring to cuba demonstrates this. He constantly compares life in cuba to his perception of progressive thinking. There isnt a progressive in this country who would want to see this happen, yet its the stigma rush wants you to believe, and you do.
You can hate the teamsters all you want, thats your right, you can withdraw from DRIVE and thats your choice, you can support every republican that would end collective bargaining for you and reduce your wages and benefits and thats your right as a voter.
No one can take that from you, but what we can take from you is your character.
You hate the system (collective bargaining) and all thats required to see that its protected year after year and yet, despite being one of the highest paid employees in the package industry year after year without a single giveback, you would want to see harm done to the very practice that keeps you employed.
There is a big difference between you being a collective bargaining unit and a "AT WILL" employee.
As a bargaining unit member, there are rules in place to protect you and your employment.
As an "AT WILL" employee, you would, could and will be fired for any reason the company could cook up. There are no protections for "AT WILL" employees.
Your union dues percentage that goes to political actions provides you with the best protection in the world. It may not mean anything to you now, but if you ever needed the union to protect you, you would thank god everyday for every dollar you contributed over the years.
Large corporations prey on the "AT WILL" employees. Its a part of todays business model. Keep employees on the books for 90 days, then turn them over and start fresh with new bodies. This way, no permanent employees are created, which means no benefits, no holiday pay, no vacation pay, no medical benefits earned and no raises in pay.
I am sure you would gladly trade in your collective bargaining agreement to work under the guidelines of an "AT WILL" employee.
I am sure UPS would keep you and continue to spend the dollars it spends now on an employee they could fire simply because they didnt like the way your hair looked.
Right wing radio has done a great job of attacking unions for 10 straight months now. You are a classic example of a AM RADIO victim.
Peace.
Are you inclined to think before you post? Just curious as your rants are so full of hypocrisys it isnt even funny. You are completely free to withdraw from or not participate in DRIVE. This is a completely "VOLUNTARY" contribution and the Teamsters do not force anyone to participate in it.
How many times have you asked large corporations to reduce the price of goods you purchase to reflect your unwillingness to contribute to political action committees? Or do you only object to unions making political donations?
You have no idea if "I" or anyone else on this board has served in the military, but I can assure you, all those nuts on right wing radio NEVER served our country in any capacity either. El RUshbo, the biggest poser of them all, talks like he's so experienced with the military, but when it came time for him to serve , he chose to object because he said he had a BOIL on his rectum.
The guy barely finished high school, and only made half the first semester in college as a freshman before he quit earning straight friend's. With no formal education behind him, his legions of followers grasp his every word.
You referring to cuba demonstrates this. He constantly compares life in cuba to his perception of progressive thinking. There isnt a progressive in this country who would want to see this happen, yet its the stigma rush wants you to believe, and you do.
You can hate the teamsters all you want, thats your right, you can withdraw from DRIVE and thats your choice, you can support every republican that would end collective bargaining for you and reduce your wages and benefits and thats your right as a voter.
No one can take that from you, but what we can take from you is your character.
You hate the system (collective bargaining) and all thats required to see that its protected year after year and yet, despite being one of the highest paid employees in the package industry year after year without a single giveback, you would want to see harm done to the very practice that keeps you employed.
There is a big difference between you being a collective bargaining unit and a "AT WILL" employee.
As a bargaining unit member, there are rules in place to protect you and your employment.
As an "AT WILL" employee, you would, could and will be fired for any reason the company could cook up. There are no protections for "AT WILL" employees.
Your union dues percentage that goes to political actions provides you with the best protection in the world. It may not mean anything to you now, but if you ever needed the union to protect you, you would thank god everyday for every dollar you contributed over the years.
Large corporations prey on the "AT WILL" employees. Its a part of todays business model. Keep employees on the books for 90 days, then turn them over and start fresh with new bodies. This way, no permanent employees are created, which means no benefits, no holiday pay, no vacation pay, no medical benefits earned and no raises in pay.
I am sure you would gladly trade in your collective bargaining agreement to work under the guidelines of an "AT WILL" employee.
I am sure UPS would keep you and continue to spend the dollars it spends now on an employee they could fire simply because they didnt like the way your hair looked.
Right wing radio has done a great job of attacking unions for 10 straight months now. You are a classic example of a AM RADIO victim.
Peace.
