The 2024 Presidential Race Thread

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
"...Gabbard has demonstrated excessive credulity about claims of autocrats hostile to the United States. In 2017, she drew fire for meeting with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad during a secret trip to Syria. Later that year, she said she was skeptical of US intelligence findings that led then–Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to say US officials had “a very high level of confidence” that chemical weapons attacks that killed dozens of people in Syria were carried out under Assad’s direction.
Gabbard’s position aligned with arguments from Russian officials, who provided key backing to Assad and argued that the 2017 attack was staged by agents of the United Kingdom." D. Friedman

that's nice


"Gabbard again bolstered Russian propaganda in 2022, when she tweeted a video repeating Kremlin claims that US-funded labs in Ukraine were developing biological weapons. The Russian claims appeared to be largely made-up justifications for Russia invading its neighbor.

Gabbard’s comments drew widespread criticism. “Tulsi Gabbard is parroting false Russian propaganda,” Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) tweeted at the time. “Her treasonous lies may well cost lives.”
Oh God, I like her even more now. The more they scream, Russia, Russia, Russia, the they’re full of it and afraid.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
TRUMP: A Trump representative told NARA in December 2021 that presidential records had been found at Mar-a-Lago, nearly a year after Trump left office. Fifteen boxes of records containing some classified material were transferred from Mar-Lago to NARA in January.

A few months later, investigators from the Justice Department and FBI visited Mar-a-Lago to get more information about classified materials taken to Florida. Federal officials also served a subpoena for some documents believed to be at the estate.

In August 2022, FBI agents conducting a search retrieved 33 boxes (300 documents with classification markings) from Mar-a-Lago. The search came after lawyers for Trump provided a sworn certification that all government records had been returned.

BIDEN: A small number of documents with classified markings were discovered on Nov. 2, 2022, in a locked closet at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement, a think tank in DC affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania and operated independently of the Biden administration. This occurred as Biden’s personal attorneys were clearing out the offices and turned over the NEXT day. A total of six pages of classified documents were later(Dec) found in a storage space in Biden’s garage near Wilmington, Delaware, with one document being located in Biden’s personal library in his home.
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fishtm2001

Well-Known Member
"It’s fine to have two political parties battle it out over different values and ideas, but both sides should be roughly equally informed by expert advice. Our state and federal governments should be staffed by people who are exceptionally good at figuring out big, complex problems. We need this for our national defense, obviously, but also for almost everything else. We don’t want to live through global pandemics overseen by bureaucrats who can’t understand the science. We can’t mitigate the effects of global climate change if we don’t have people who understand how it works.

Of late, the problem has been the leaders of the Republican Party simply don’t listen to these experts. Instead, they tell the American people that they shouldn’t be trusted. But the next step, which is now coming, is to start removing these experts’ influence entirely. Party hacks will oversee them and they’ll be fired. Their budgets will be slashed. Their findings will go unpublished.

And this will mean that people who are hardly better prepared than apes will be in charge of public health, of environmental science and protection, of our food supply and developing our weapons systems. They won’t ask questions because they won’t understand the answers, don’t like the answers, and are part of a movement invested in sidelining these kinds of answers."

Martin Longman
 

fishtm2001

Well-Known Member
"Demanding Senate Republicans back Gaetz as attorney general and Hegseth as Defense Secretary is the 2024 version of forcing Sean Spicer to say it was the largest inauguration crowd ever. These aren't just appointments. They're loyalty tests. The absurdity is the point."

Ezra Klein
 

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
"It’s fine to have two political parties battle it out over different values and ideas, but both sides should be roughly equally informed by expert advice. Our state and federal governments should be staffed by people who are exceptionally good at figuring out big, complex problems. We need this for our national defense, obviously, but also for almost everything else. We don’t want to live through global pandemics overseen by bureaucrats who can’t understand the science. We can’t mitigate the effects of global climate change if we don’t have people who understand how it works.

Of late, the problem has been the leaders of the Republican Party simply don’t listen to these experts. Instead, they tell the American people that they shouldn’t be trusted. But the next step, which is now coming, is to start removing these experts’ influence entirely. Party hacks will oversee them and they’ll be fired. Their budgets will be slashed. Their findings will go unpublished.

And this will mean that people who are hardly better prepared than apes will be in charge of public health, of environmental science and protection, of our food supply and developing our weapons systems. They won’t ask questions because they won’t understand the answers, don’t like the answers, and are part of a movement invested in sidelining these kinds of answers."

Martin Longman
Yawn
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
"It’s fine to have two political parties battle it out over different values and ideas, but both sides should be roughly equally informed by expert advice. Our state and federal governments should be staffed by people who are exceptionally good at figuring out big, complex problems. We need this for our national defense, obviously, but also for almost everything else. We don’t want to live through global pandemics overseen by bureaucrats who can’t understand the science. We can’t mitigate the effects of global climate change if we don’t have people who understand how it works.

Of late, the problem has been the leaders of the Republican Party simply don’t listen to these experts. Instead, they tell the American people that they shouldn’t be trusted. But the next step, which is now coming, is to start removing these experts’ influence entirely. Party hacks will oversee them and they’ll be fired. Their budgets will be slashed. Their findings will go unpublished.

And this will mean that people who are hardly better prepared than apes will be in charge of public health, of environmental science and protection, of our food supply and developing our weapons systems. They won’t ask questions because they won’t understand the answers, don’t like the answers, and are part of a movement invested in sidelining these kinds of answers."

Martin Longman
"Experts"
LMFAO

Sorry buddy, the voters rejected the smug elitism of the "expert" Sanhedrin that your leftist religion idolizes.

Your "experts" can sit down and STFU.
It's the people's time now.
MAGA.
 

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
"Demanding Senate Republicans back Gaetz as attorney general and Hegseth as Defense Secretary is the 2024 version of forcing Sean Spicer to say it was the largest inauguration crowd ever. These aren't just appointments. They're loyalty tests. The absurdity is the point."

Ezra Klein
It’s absurd for Trump to appoint loyalists? I think it would be absurd for him not to after what he’s been through.
 

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
So it sounds like the best argument, the leftists and RINOS can come up with is…

“We hate Donald Trump we want him to fail”

And

“Why won’t he listen to us about who he should appoint?”

Absolutely hilarious
 

fishtm2001

Well-Known Member
It’s absurd for Trump to appoint loyalists? I think it would be absurd for him not to after what he’s been through.
1. His vice president, Mike Pence: “The American people deserve to know that President Trump asked me to put him over my oath to the Constitution. … Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States.”

2. His second attorney general, Bill Barr: “Someone who engaged in that kind of bullying about a process that is fundamental to our system and to our self-government shouldn’t be anywhere near the Oval Office.”

3. His first secretary of defense, James Mattis: “Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people – does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us.”

4. His second secretary of defense, Mark Esper: “I think he’s unfit for office. … He puts himself before country. His actions are all about him and not about the country. And then, of course, I believe he has integrity and character issues as well.”

5. His chairman of the joint chiefs, retired Gen. Mark Milley, seemed to invoke Trump: “We don’t take an oath to a wannabe dictator. We take an oath to the Constitution and we take an oath to the idea that is America – and we’re willing to die to protect it.”

6. His first secretary of state, Rex Tillerson: “(Trump’s) understanding of global events, his understanding of global history, his understanding of US history was really limited. It’s really hard to have a conversation with someone who doesn’t even understand the concept for why we’re talking about this.”

7. His first ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley: “He used to be good on foreign policy and now he has started to walk it back and get weak in the knees when it comes to Ukraine. A terrible thing happened on January 6 and he called it a beautiful day.”

8. His presidential transition vice-chairman, Chris Christie: “Someone who I would argue now is just out for himself.”

9. His second national security adviser, HR McMaster: “We saw the absence of leadership, really anti-leadership, and what that can do to our country.”

10. His third national security adviser, John Bolton: “I believe (foreign leaders) think he is a laughing fool.”

11. His second chief of staff, John Kelly: “A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us.”

12. His former acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, who resigned as US special envoy to Ireland after January 6, 2021: “I quit because I think he failed at being the president when we needed him to be that.”

13. One of his many former communications directors, Anthony Scaramucci: “He is the domestic terrorist of the 21st century.”

14. Another former communications director, Stephanie Grisham: “I am terrified of him running in 2024.”

15. His secretary of education, Betsy DeVos, who resigned after January 6: “When I saw what was happening on January 6 and didn’t see the president step in and do what he could have done to turn it back or slow it down or really address the situation, it was just obvious to me that I couldn’t continue.”

16. His secretary of transportation, Elaine Chao, who resigned after January 6: “At a particular point the events were such that it was impossible for me to continue, given my personal values and my philosophy.

17. His first secretary of the Navy, Richard Spencer: “…the president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military, to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices.”

18. His first homeland security adviser, Tom Bossert: “The President undermined American democracy baselessly for months. As a result, he’s culpable for this siege, and an utter disgrace.”

19. His former personal lawyer and fixer, Michael Cohen: “Donald’s an idiot.”

20. His White House lawyer, Ty Cobb: “Trump relentlessly puts forth claims that are not true.”

21. A former director of strategic communications, Alyssa Farah Griffin, who is now a CNN political commentator: “We can stand by the policies, but at this point we cannot stand by the man.”

22. A top aide in charge of his outreach to African Americans, Omarosa Manigault Newman: “Donald Trump, who would attack civil rights icons and professional athletes, who would go after grieving black widows, who would say there were good people on both sides, who endorsed an accused child molester; Donald Trump, and his decisions and his behavior, was harming the country. I could no longer be a part

of this madness.”

23. A former deputy press secretary, Sarah Matthews, who resigned after January 6: “I thought that he did do a lot of good during his four years. I think that his actions on January 6 and the lead-up to it, the way that he’s acted in the aftermath, and his continuation of pushing this lie that the election is stolen has made him wholly unfit to hold office every again.”

24. His final chief of staff’s aide, Cassidy Hutchinson: “I think that Donald Trump is the most grave threat we will face to our democracy in our lifetime, and potentially in American history.”
 

Darmark7

Retired 2020. Not my Problem Anymore!
Looks like the denial phase (quiet and hiding) is coming to an end on BC and now the anger phase (coming out and back to the MSM talking points) is beginning. Welcome back guys.
 
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