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Most liberal democrats are rich and try to help the poor to satisfy their guilt.
....and to get them re-elected.
Most liberal democrats are rich and try to help the poor to satisfy their guilt.
Most liberal democrats are rich and try to help the poor to satisfy their guilt.
At least someone is trying to help them.
I guess the poor are second class citizens with no party affiliation ?
Are most Liberal democrats rich?
And if these so called "rich liberal democrats" didn't try to help the poor,do you think the rich republicans wood do a better job,or just ignore them and hope they go away.Maybe the rich Reps could create more minimum wage jobs,nahh..China and India will,for less than poverty levels
At least someone is trying to help them.
I guess the poor are second class citizens with no party affiliation ?
Are most Liberal democrats rich?
And if these so called "rich liberal democrats" didn't try to help the poor,do you think the rich republicans wood do a better job,or just ignore them and hope they go away.Maybe the rich Reps could create more minimum wage jobs,nahh..China and India will,for less than poverty levels
Tie dude,not huffy...so tell my how our country benefits the way your party operates by telling poor/low income people to fend for themselves and keep them supressed.Let's see...
Tie dude,not huffy...so tell my how our country benefits the way your party operates by telling poor/low income people to fend for themselves and keep them supressed.Let's see.. GOP =export jobs overseas,minimum wage a joke,cut benefits and healthcare,and welfare(b4 you go there,yes some people abuse welfare).So tell me how do we lower crime rate,un-paid health care,jail over-crowding and infrastructure,drug abuse,domestic abuse,more law enforcement etc...Are you aware how $$ America pays out as a result of the above mentioned by keeping the poor poorer?Cause and effect.
I don't care if people bash Moore,but just pointing out how the GOP works.
GOP =export jobs overseas,minimum wage a joke,cut benefits and healthcare,and welfare
export jobs overseas,minimum wage a joke,cut benefits and healthcare,and welfare
Judging by this thread Moore makes his money of his negativity rating.
Tieguy said:Were you born with a silver spoon in your mouth? Did someone hand you the money to buy all that chrome or did you go out and earn it? Why should it be any different for anyone else. The opportunity is there all you have to do is bust your ass and earn it. My parents came from dirt poor. No one gave me a dnag thing. I went out and earned everything I have. That gives me the right to judge the kerrys and kennedys who simply had to be born to collect their wealt
Tieguy said:And no Boss man Tie guy,I was not born with a silver spoon...just like you who was not born with a Sleek Armani suit and silk tie neither.
Why should it be different for any one else?
Besides my symposium above,opportunities has it's advantages and dis-advantages from pro-market locations to non-market locations, from proper parenting, quality schools, race,religion,luck,etc.. no matter how much you bust your to earn it.What's wrong with raising the bar of opportunities???
Sorry for the long KMAC like post!
One quick note, on the "B4 you go there" part, good point because if you actually study gov't abuse of subsidation via gov't programs, big business in the real world is more so the larger offender. Back to D's point. Much has been made of exporting of jobs, minimum wage pressures and cuts in such things as benefits, pressure on healthcare etc. just as D said. Those concerns are very real
Again, so far it's been democrats who've lead this charge. Now over the years we have everyone in the game but it was democrats like Wilson, FDR and Truman who paved the road to begin with but it does get better. Now let's come forward to the 1990's and 2 more important notes of history known as the WTO and NAFTA. Oh we've all heard about these 2 but what we also hear are claims of what with these 2?
I think D's quote sez it all so I'll use it again:
And you know what, D has a very good point too but who gave us the WTO and NAFTA? Bill Clinton and his Democratic Leadership Council. More democrats?
I find it ironic that someone would make a statement such as "
GOP =export jobs overseas,minimum wage a joke,cut benefits and healthcare,and welfare" when in fact the gov't agenda over the last 100 years when looked at with open, historical eyes doesn't suggest anything like that at all. The more proper statement at the least would be "the Democrats and GOP =export jobs overseas,minimum wage a joke,cut benefits and healthcare,and welfare."
The real bottomline IMO is the fact that the democrats cleared the land and graded the road in the early 1900's and then later paved it in the 1940's. Then in the 1990's another democrat made it a multi-lane interstate highway and put a high powered sports car on it. It just sounds like to me D that you are a spoiled sport because the democrats made the road and the fast car on it and repubs have the gaul to actually get in the car on your gleaming highway and speed. Or are you just really mad at yourself because your democrat heros just realized they never put up any speed limit signs or red lights?
Gov't is like a feast for the worse of humankind. "If you build it(or I should say cook it), they will come!" The repubs are deserving of much condemnation, they betrayed everything IMO they claimed to stand for, no argument from me but I will not sit here and let you protray the democrats as some innocent party either. For someone who boasts at times of trying to appear independent, you turn around and disservice yourself as nothing more than a party loyalist.
BTW: If you take the time to investigate the big business subsidies I spoke of earlier, you'll find a whole host of democrats behind those as well. And I always love to hear Kennedy and Kerry make the same kind of statements that you did (monkey see, monkey do?) when the both of them voted for NAFTA for example. And surprise, surprise, Helms and Thurmond voted against it. Odd that these 2 were more concerned with the poor and downtrodden than Kennedy and Kerry!
It’ll take courage and maybe the Democratic front runners will lose some of their financial supporters and make enemies in their own party—but it’s time for Democrats to say it out loud, and admit that THIS PART of the Clinton presidency along with Congress was a disaster for those who actually work for a living.
Not sure about that one. If not for the international market namely China ups would be in serious cust cutting/layoff mode right now.
By separating ourselves from the globalization insanity—in its present form—will Democrats truly demonstrate that they have the interests of working-class Americans at heart.
Their too busy trying to prosecute the republicans for anything they can find to bother worrying about the working stiff right now. Wait until the elections are about 2 months away and they'll briefly focus on your needs.
I admit that statement was misleading and needed better clarification on my part it, that it was consistent with traditional Republican philosophy—and definitely not consistent with traditional Democrat philosophy.
What is traditional today will not be tommorrow. What was traditional yesterday is no longer today. JFK has often been given credit for trickle down economics. Yet today its a republican philosophy.
Democrats must pledge themselves to rescinding NAFTA, WTO and present Fast Track agreements, and make bilateral agreements with other nations that are clearly in the interests of American workers and the long-term interests of our country.
and piss off their rich friends?
The longer Democrats try to pretend that it never happened, the worse off they’ll be. And by clarifying the new Democratic position, we would force Republicans to expose to public scrutiny their true positions about globalization.
which is? Clinton was the true proponent of globalization.
tieguy said:Not sure about that one. If not for the international market namely China ups would be in serious cust cutting/layoff mode right now.
Overall picture,think of ALL the american jobs lost to China already.And just think how financially powerful China is growing by the ratio of exporting as opposed to importing goods and services.The world market needs to level the playing field with China and make them raise the standard of living (wages,quality of goods and human rights).But the business savoy world is to greedy for now catering to the rich and their shareholders.
tieguy said:Their too busy trying to prosecute the republicans for anything they can find to bother worrying about the working stiff right now. Wait until the elections are about 2 months away and they'll briefly focus on your needs.
I must admit this is a common practise amongst both parties of the political spectrum.Not just Dems....Also the independents and Libertarians kick back and prosecute both parties as well.
Although is that what the Reps refer to the working class as "stiffs".
tieguy said:What is traditional today will not be tommorrow. What was traditional yesterday is no longer today. JFK has often been given credit for trickle down economics. Yet today its a republican philosophy.
Agree,and if JFK ran today with that position today he might have to run with Buchanon and Nader on the Indep ticket.
Since "Reagonomics" resurrected the "horse and sparrow" philosophy.. "if you feed enough oats to the horse, some will pass through to feed the sparrows".It has and will continue to be a Rep. phliosophy for a long time.
Or in other words ,the manure that comes out of the big fat GOP elephant's orifice can be spread to the bottum feeders to fertize the land.No thank you!
Ideally, money invested in new business ventures is first paid out to employees, suppliers, and contractors. Only some time later, if the business is profitable, does money return to the business owners. Thats the way our Int'l business flourished and prospered at UPS since it's inception. At first we lost money and now it our biggest profit gainer.
tieguy said:Overall picture,think of ALL the american jobs lost to China already.And just think how financially powerful China is growing by the ratio of exporting as opposed to importing goods and services.
Don't see it. business change as conditions change. Our businesses will identify opportunities available with chinas growth and as they make the adjustments more american labor will be hired to help them take advantage of these opportunities. Closing our borders would make businesses lazy and bloated and drive our prices up.
Agree,and if JFK ran today with that position today he might have to run with Buchanon and Nader on the Indep ticket.
Don't think so. If kennedy stays alive and implements his philosophy then it becomes his baby and no conervative would be able to lay claim. Reagan saw the opportunity and ran with it since no other democrat would run with it.
Since "Reagonomics" resurrected the "horse and sparrow" philosophy.. "if you feed enough oats to the horse, some will pass through to feed the sparrows".It has and will continue to be a Rep. phliosophy for a long time.
Instead we tell the sparrows they are too stupid to feed theirselves. We tell them the horses are stealing their opportunity to feed. We tell them the horses must share their food with the sparrows. The sparrows are unable to digest the oats and hay we feed the horses and end up starving anyway. But believe the horse causeed their death.
Or in other words ,the manure that comes out of the big fat GOP elephant's orifice can be spread to the bottum feeders to fertize the land.No thank you!
and must be shoveled to them by the horse that worked his but off to grow his own hay. We tell the horse they should feel guilty they did not give their food away to the sparrow who did nothing to fend for himself. We tell the sparrow the horse owes the sparrow a living. We then tax the horse so much; taking so much food from him that he eventually starves to death. Meanwhile the sparrow eats his food and continues to cry because he feels the horse should have also given up his stall to the sparrow. Meanwhile the democrat once done blaming the horse tells the sparrow he is too stupid to fend for himself. He tells the sparrow that he the democrat is the only one that can feed the sparrow. He tells the sparrow that he must keep the democrat in power or he will lose his meal ticket. The sparrow now feelling no sense of pride or self worth complies and leads himself to believe that the horse is the reason he the sparrow has such a miserable life. The democrat now voted in office creates some large government beaurocracy that employes the sparrow at 5 dollars an hour. The democrat tells the sparrow the horse is the reason he the sparrow does not make more. Meanwhile the democrat votes himself a thirty percent pay raise and blames it on the horse. The horse tries to tell the sparrow to stand on his own two feet but is criticized by the democrat for being too insensitive. The democrat never tells the sparrow that studying in school and busting his behind could have left him sitting on the horses head rather then looking up at the horses ass waiting for his next meal.
tieguy said:Since "Reagonomics" resurrected the "horse and sparrow" philosophy.. "if you feed enough oats to the horse, some will pass through to feed the sparrows".It has and will continue to be a Rep. phliosophy for a long time.
Instead we tell the sparrows they are too stupid to feed theirselves. We tell them the horses are stealing their opportunity to feed. We tell them the horses must share their food with the sparrows. The sparrows are unable to digest the oats and hay we feed the horses and end up starving anyway. But believe the horse causeed their death.
Or in other words ,the manure that comes out of the big fat GOP elephant's orifice can be spread to the bottum feeders to fertize the land.No thank you!
and must be shoveled to them by the horse that worked his but off to grow his own hay. We tell the horse they should feel guilty they did not give their food away to the sparrow who did nothing to fend for himself. We tell the sparrow the horse owes the sparrow a living. We then tax the horse so much; taking so much food from him that he eventually starves to death. Meanwhile the sparrow eats his food and continues to cry because he feels the horse should have also given up his stall to the sparrow. Meanwhile the democrat once done blaming the horse tells the sparrow he is too stupid to fend for himself. He tells the sparrow that he the democrat is the only one that can feed the sparrow. He tells the sparrow that he must keep the democrat in power or he will lose his meal ticket. The sparrow now feelling no sense of pride or self worth complies and leads himself to believe that the horse is the reason he the sparrow has such a miserable life. The democrat now voted in office creates some large government beaurocracy that employes the sparrow at 5 dollars an hour. The democrat tells the sparrow the horse is the reason he the sparrow does not make more. Meanwhile the democrat votes himself a thirty percent pay raise and blames it on the horse. The horse tries to tell the sparrow to stand on his own two feet but is criticized by the democrat for being too insensitive. The democrat never tells the sparrow that studying in school and busting his behind could have left him sitting on the horses head rather then looking up at the horses ass waiting for his next meal.
Nice sermation Tie,but there a few items you left out.
Who grows the food for the horse's ass,?processes it? ,distributes it?,packages it?,ships it?
Who builds the stall high on the hill for the horse?Chops down the lumber?Processes it?Dist. and ships it?
Thats right,the underpaid,under apreciated,under educated(cause they can't afford college or trade school),unhealhty(cause they can't afford private medical)majority working class sparrows. Even the sparrows with special skills,trades,and hire education Are looking up the Corp.horses ass because the benefits only help the minority rich and the lucky sperm club.
Don't forget the horse is headless without food and a roof over his head.So if the horse takes that for granted he may find himself in front of a meatgrinder being prepared for the overwhelming numbers of the starving sparrows.
Nice sermation Tie,but there a few items you left out.
Who grows the food for the horse's ass,?processes it? ,distributes it?,packages it?,ships it?
Who builds the stall high on the hill for the horse?Chops down the lumber?Processes it?Dist. and ships it?
Thats right,the underpaid,under apreciated,under educated(cause they can't afford college or trade school),unhealhty(cause they can't afford private medical)majority working class sparrows. Even the sparrows with special skills,trades,and hire education Are looking up the Corp.horses ass because the benefits only help the minority rich and the lucky sperm club.
Don't forget the horse is headless without food and a roof over his head.So if the horse takes that for granted he may find himself in front of a meatgrinder being prepared for the overwhelming numbers of the starving sparrows.
If one is uneducated it because they allowed themselves to be that way. Not because they couldn't afford it. In most cases a lack of education is 100% the fault of the individual in question. Paying attention and applying one's self from grades K-12 helps land a scholarship. And since there aren't enough scholarships for everyone their is always the school loan option. There are too many available to mention. If one is unhealthy it is because they didn't take take the intitiative do whatever they needed to do, such as find a better job or additional job that provides healthh beneifts. Or start a health savings account. Or simply take better care of themselves. These "sparrows" need to stop looking up at the horses and look within themselves to succeed in life. There is only one place where success comes before work and that place is in the dictionary.
Nice sermation Tie,but there a few items you left out.
Who grows the food for the horse's ass,?processes it? ,distributes it?,packages it?,ships it?
Who builds the stall high on the hill for the horse?Chops down the lumber?Processes it?Dist. and ships it?
Thats right,the underpaid,under apreciated,under educated(cause they can't afford college or trade school),unhealhty(cause they can't afford private medical)majority working class sparrows. Even the sparrows with special skills,trades,and hire education Are looking up the Corp.horses ass because the benefits only help the minority rich and the lucky sperm club.
Don't forget the horse is headless without food and a roof over his head.So if the horse takes that for granted he may find himself in front of a meatgrinder being prepared for the overwhelming numbers of the starving sparrows.
Nice tirade.
I just wish it made sense.
"Don't forget the horse is headless without food and a roof over his head."
Still working on that sentence.
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