The YES vote on the ups freight contract will be strong

[wide load]

First of all brother I'm not arguing with you. The person covering my route right now is an unassigned driver who makes exactly what I make. Full scale. So what point am I missing?

Are you in the west? And are you at top rate?

 

[LagunaBrown]

We don't have cover drivers. Let me know when you want to talk pension strength?

They use off the street hires 7 months out of the year. They use casuals all the time and act like they got something good.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Who fills in for your vacations? If you want to argue over the semantics of a title, go right ahead

Lets do it, your pension blows and you guys use casuals 7 moths of the year. Cover drivers stopped the use of casuals. In our Local the only subcontracting is at Christmas due to huge volume and other locals do it because they can’t hire fast enough. We all know about you guys trying to use Part timers to do your full time feeder work instead of casuals. You are so full of because you can’t even make them real full time positions. Talk about selling out get some balls.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Are you in the west? And are you at top rate?

yes and our retirees have unlimited cap on medical. How much do your retirees pay and what is you cap?

 

[wide load]

yes and our retirees have unlimited cap on medical. How much do your retirees pay and what is you cap?

They pay $100,000,000 a month. But they can afford it since we don’t subcontract and pay top rate for everyone touching ground. Unless of course you will be counting the RTW 22.4’s that the west gets boners about.

 

[wide load]

They use off the street hires 7 months out of the year. They use casuals all the time and act like they got something good.

TCD’s dopey.

 

[browndevil]

They pay $100,000,000 a month. But they can afford it since we don’t subcontract and pay top rate for everyone touching ground. Unless of course you will be counting the RTW 22.4’s that the west gets boners about.

What's RTW 22.4?

 

[wide load]

What's RTW 22.4?

Ask Denis T

 

[browndevil]

Ask Denis T

When I see RTW I think Right to Work. Maybe if I see him in May I'll ask him. Care to share RTW with me beforehand?

 

[wide load]

When I see RTW I think Right to Work. Maybe if I see him in May I'll ask him. Care to share RTW with me beforehand?

I described 22.4 as a Right to Work job.

 

[browndevil]

I described 22.4 as a Right to Work job.

What were your thoughts when 22.3 was implemented after the '97 strike?

 

[wide load]

What were your thoughts when 22.3 was implemented after the '97 strike?

Conflicted. I have no issue with the concept of 22.4. But let me ask you this, if an air driver delivers ground work, what would he get as restitution?

 

[browndevil]

Conflicted. I have no issue with the concept of 22.4. But let me ask you this, if an air driver delivers ground work, what would he get as restitution?

In my Local I've seen air or as we call them here "utility" drivers, start their progression the first time they scanned and delivered or picked up a ground package

 

[wide load]

In my Local I've seen air or as we call them here "utility" drivers, start their progression the first time they scanned and delivered or picked up a ground package

My point is, ground was our last full wage. That’s been stripped away now.

 

[browndevil]

Are you in the west? And are you at top rate?

Yup! been full scale since 1992

 

[1989]

TCD’s dopey.

We use regular ft cover drivers (drivers without a bided route). We don’t use TCD.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

What were your thoughts when 22.3 was implemented after the '97 strike?

Never included pkg car work. Air only.
What about this?....

 

[browndevil]

Never included pkg car work. Air only.
What about this?....View attachment 221951

Right. Isn't that what 22.3 are doing now? Working inside, preload or Local Sort then driving the rest of the shift?

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Right. Isn't that what 22.3 are doing now? Working inside, preload or Local Sort then driving the rest of the shift?

Not all of them. Some don't drive at all. Some, del and pick up airs...not ground service pkgs at pkg car rate although they get UPGRADED to FULL pkg car rate if they do happen to move ground service pkgs...after they work a sort inside.

You guys already bidding out permanent inside/pkg car jobs as a permanent bid for 22.3?...as a replacement 22.3 job and calling it 22.4 in the past?

How come the air drivers get paid ground rate if they deliver ground pkgs...but not by design?

Now it's watered down the pkg car rate on a permanent basis with the "leadership's" blessing and is offered instead of 22.3 jobs that are mandated.

22.5 feeder drivers are next?

Concessionary bullcrap destruction of package car rate jobs by people who dont give a flying ..

at it's finest failure in ups package car history.

Slipping down the pay rate mountain in the most economically prosperous time in years is telling what the strongest union in North America can do while holding the winning hand.

So, if the company was going to reduce overtime unilaterally across the board then why did we need 22.4s?

For weekend work?

I thought we had bid sheets posted for Saturday work and the jobs were filled by full time pkg car drivers in progression to full time rate or already at top rate.
May as well throw feeder work in there next...

and replace the inside/air exception and inside/inside 22.3 job offering with those too.

Maybe people are tired of driving and just want inside work without having to drive and especially if they can no longer pass the dot exam. The 22.3 jobs offerings are diminished with this deal.

Remember why 22.3s were (finally) "agreed to"? The pendulum swung both ways helping ft drivers who no longer wanted to or couldn't drive and part timers who were already working almost ft hours without ft status.

 

[browndevil]

Not all of them. Some don't drive at all. Some, del and pick up airs...not ground service pkgs at pkg car rate although they get UPGRADED to FULL pkg car rate if they do happen to move ground service pkgs...after they work a sort inside.

You guys already bidding out permanent inside/pkg car jobs as a permanent bid for 22.3?...as a replacement 22.3 job and calling it 22.4 in the past?

How come the air drivers get paid ground rate if they deliver ground pkgs...but not by design?

Now it's watered down the pkg car rate on a permanent basis with the "leadership's" blessing and is offered instead of 22.3 jobs that are mandated.

22.5 feeder drivers are next?

Concessionary bullcrap destruction of package car rate jobs by people who dont give a flying ..

at it's finest failure in ups package car history.

Slipping down the pay rate mountain in the most economically prosperous time in years is telling what the strongest union in North America can do while holding the winning hand.

So, if the company was going to reduce overtime unilaterally across the board then why did we need 22.4s?

For weekend work?

I thought we had bid sheets posted for Saturday work and the jobs were filled by full time pkg car drivers in progression to full time rate or already at top rate.
May as well throw feeder work in there next...

and replace the inside/air exception and inside/inside 22.3 job offering with those too.

Maybe people are tired of driving and just want inside work without having to drive and especially if they can no longer pass the dot exam. The 22.3 jobs offerings are diminished with this deal.

Remember why 22.3s were (finally) "agreed to"? The pendulum swung both ways helping ft drivers who no longer wanted to or couldn't drive and part timers who were already working almost ft hours without ft status.

Brother you have some very fine points. Things to bring up next proposal meetings.