There Will Be No Economic Recovery. Prepare Yourself Accordingly.

[bbsam]

Sequester

 

[bbsam]

Really? You see nothing different? No change?

 

[wkmac]

Ah, the beauty of politics. The ability for each regime to spin and create its fictions and its mindless minions to spread them.

 

[bbsam]

Ah, the beauty of politics. The ability for each regime to spin and create its fictions and its mindless minions to spread them.

agreed. But that goes on both sides. Obama, the right says, is doing nothing and ushering in a totaltarian government at the same time. He shows no leadership and is a Marxist dictator eroding all rights. Only in political fairyland can it all be true and none of it as well.

 

[Just_another_day_at_work]

....then why don't you enumerate all the "good things" your messiah has done.
I would be interested in knowing what you, and other obama supporters, think he has done in 4 years and almost 4 months.
All I see is our country is on the verge of economic collapse and a "new world order".
I anxiously await your response.

I know it's for bbsam, but if I may recommend you the Thrive movie which coincidentally came out on 11/11/11 date, ahh these patterns again. It's kind of fantastic that the director Foster Gamble(very wealthy) just dropped out of his 3rd eye that we have a private fed and that nobody did ***** about it but all the sudden he created a movement and discussing our current issues, nice logo too on the official poster and G damn him he got purple "home button" in there too. He supported Ron Paul, that's when I was like, hmmmm hold on for minute this might be bigger then I previously thought, and of course it is. Anybody wants a Beyonce -Halo song for today?, ohh well you guys can utube it.
Question is are you absolutely sure you don't want a nwo? Even the pope said "I quit this b#$@h", these are good signs(and symbols).
link:http://www.thrivemovement.com/home

 

[wkmac]

agreed. But that goes on both sides. Obama, the right says, is doing nothing and ushering in a totaltarian government at the same time. He shows no leadership and is a Marxist dictator eroding all rights. Only in political fairyland can it all be true and none of it as well.

I think I've been fairly consistent on that point.

As to the charge of Obama being "Marxist" I've also argued that this is contradicted by the fact that for example Wall Street has really done well over the last 4 years unless you want to also argue that Wall Street is thus Marxist too?

So far I'm not convinced there are any brave souls here willing to join me on that intellectual journey.

 

[trickpony1]

As to the charge of Obama being "Marxist" I've also argued that this is contradicted by the fact that for example Wall Street has really done well over the last 4 years unless you want to also argue that Wall Street is thus Marxist too?

So far I'm not convinced there are any brave souls here willing to join me on that intellectual journey.

Is correlation causation?

I guess I'm a brave soul (not brother).

Where is the on ramp to the intellectual journey?

 

[wkmac]

Is correlation causation?

I guess I'm a brave soul (not brother).

Where is the on ramp to the intellectual journey?

No.

As to the on ramp, in the case of Marxism, who was Marx? What was his influence? How did the economic circumstances of early/mid 19th century England and the British empire in broader context influence Marx? How was Engels, a direct beneficiary of a capital fortune of cotton, come to be the financial backer of Marx? Does modern capitalism trace some level of it's roots to the London School of Economics? And if so, how does it weigh that the London School of Economics was financed in it's creation and backing by members of the British Fabian Socialist movement?

Correlation Causation or something deeper?

 

[Just_another_day_at_work]

Ah, the beauty of politics. The ability for each regime to spin and create its fictions and its mindless minions to spread them.

Almost like they are telling you, make up your own mind

 

[trickpony1]

wkmac-
Your original assertion was the stock market has "....really done well over the last four years..." and you seem to want to attribute it to obama being in office.

I then asked if "....correlation is causation?".

Your answer was an abrupt "no".

You seem to have made my point.

 

[wkmac]

wkmac-
Your original assertion was the stock market has "....really done well over the last four years..." and you seem to want to attribute it to obama being in office.

I then asked if "....correlation is causation?".

Your answer was an abrupt "no".

You seem to have made my point.

My point was that if Obama was a real Marxist, the stock market would have tanked because a real Marxist would have taken control of all means of production and placed it into the hands of the state. Even if ObamaCare was a Marxist grab of healthcare, how do you explain certain healthcare stocks that have since passage have continued an upward trend in stock price?

The stock market did well because the policies of the State, some of it by Obama's hand eg market interventions thus benefited certain stock market players. I would re-assert my point that you might want to read Marx before asserting that Obama is a true Marxist or even left socialist. Some of the best condemnation of Obama that I've heard have in fact come from real Marxists and Socialists but if you want to assert Obama is a socialist more along the lines of a right wing socialist I would agree but then we are moving into the realm of fascism which would thus explain why favored corporatist factions of capital has done so well. Would also explain why both sides of the current political landscape no more want a true free or rather freed market than they want their bank accounts to go empty.

If one further reads Joseph Pierre Proudhon or even Bakunin, I don't see 20th century state communism as much from the left but more from the right but then I see the left/right spectrum along the model of Karl Hess rather than from the more mass accepted model most are familiar with. And in the case of Marx, he may have been a lot less dedicated to the true left causes of socialism but rather more about brute power and control.

To quote Noam Chomsky in regards to Marx:

“Again, I’m not enough of a Marx scholar to pretend to an authoritative judgement. My impression, for what it is worth, is that the early Marx was very much a figure of the late Enlightenment, and the later Marx was a highly authoritarian activist, and a critical analyst of capitalism, who had little to say about socialist alternatives. But those are impressions.”

Maybe the idealism of socialism in the case of Marx may be more fiction than fact.

Something you might consider watching is the 1990's Adam Curtis documentary "Pandora's Box" which is free on the net to watch.

Pandora's Box, E1: The Engineers' Plot - YouTube

There are 6 parts to this documentary if you care to watch it all.

The Soviet Union was built a lot more by American hands and engineering than we've been led to believe. The late Anthony Sutton of the Hoover Institute proved that point beyond dispute IMO.

As I asked earlier, could it really be that the captains of American Capitalism are the real marxists so to speak and that Obama, their store bought puppet is just following orders? If so, American so-called Conservatives and their blind allegiance to American exceptionalism and it's crony/finance capital economics may have been taken for a ride!

 

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[Just_another_day_at_work]

Stormcloudsgathering like to use a lot the element "fire" in his vids a lot... But I liked his the gods of the 21st century vid, fire and the universe together what else you can ask for.

 

[wkmac]

Stormcloudsgathering like to use a lot the element "fire" in his vids a lot... But I liked his the gods of the 21st century vid, fire and the universe together what else you can ask for.

Besides his videos on construction of his earth bag home, I always like this little 2 minute ditty.

The Chain of Obedience - YouTube

 

[wkmac]

And this was a good one too.

The OWS The TeaParty Unite?!! - YouTube

 

[wkmac]

And since we are drifting in this direction anyway and a major reason why we find ourselves in the economic situation we find ourselves, this video IMO could have worked just as well in the "On Killing" thread. I would suggest that murder and money attract the same type of debased human life form in the first place and oddly enough we rush to make these people our leaders and deciders of what is our best interest.

38. Identifying Different Psychopaths - YouTube

 

[Just_another_day_at_work]

Besides his videos on construction of his earth bag home, I always like this little 2 minute ditty.

The Chain of Obedience - YouTube

That's why I like when are people complaining about Obama's no "leadership" skill, screw that we don't need leadership, absolutely none from either party/president. And we don't need birth certificates either, what we need is evolution. Luckily our well call them "owners" are light years ahead of us.

 

[wkmac]

That's why I like when are people complaining about Obama's no "leadership" skill, screw that we don't need leadership, absolutely none from either party/president. And we don't need birth certificates either, what we need is evolution. Luckily our well call them "owners" are light years ahead of us.

I find it odd when people rant about too much gov't or gov't intervening and then railing against Obama for not having gov't involved or not being involved himself. Recently folks were ranting that Obama should be in Washington and not on the golf course but I argue Obama should play more golf and take the Congress with him.

Back to the issue of no economic recovery.

James Corbett with Global Research TV made an interesting vid concerning systematic collapse.

Systemic Collapse: A Brief History of Market Manipulation - YouTube

 

[Just_another_day_at_work]

A real centralized central bank cannot manipulate the whole entire(global) market, they provide liquidity and cheap money sure, but cannot rig everything. After all it's all numbers and patterns.
But if you want to follow the white rabbit to the hole with me
The Secret of Oz (by Mr Bill Still) - YouTube

To spice it up a bit, the guys(or demons?) who brought to you the massacre of the Dark Knight Rises premier, Sandy shooting etc. their relatives supposed to testify in Libor scandal, how interesting is that and in some other events connected (yes all connected).

 

[Babagounj]

I second wkmac's motion.
" I argue Obama should play more golf and take the Congress with him."

All those in favor say "aye".

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