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bacha29

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Should we shut the economy down for the flu every year?
But this ISN'T the flu and Dr.s. Fauci and Redfield are not going to put their balls on the anvil walk out in front of the national media tell you repeatedly that it's NOT common seasonal influenza that will come back this fall in a more virulent and lethal form unless they are completely convinced that it will and are staking their professional reputations on it.
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
No :censored2: Sherlock.
It's a simple question you refuse to answer because it proves the stupidity of shutting down the economy.

Because we have no vaccine and no clinically proven treatments for the coronavirus this is one time when you can't have it both ways. I ask you the same question I did your like minded friend.....Do we willfully sacrifice the lives of our weak and aged for no other reason than for the economic benefit of the rest. Your past comments seem to indicate that we should.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
Do we willfully sacrifice the lives of our weak and aged for no other reason than for the economic benefit of the rest. Your past comments seem to indicate that we should.
They should self quarantine.
Your comments seem to indicate you're so deranged you think someone is putting a gun to old peoples' heads.

You're being ridiculous.
 

bacha29

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So you're okay with the 50,000 dead from the flu this season but 100,000 dead from the Chinese Virus means we have to destroy our economy?

You're being ridiculous.
The origins of the virus that has resulted in New York which has the most cases and the most deaths on a state by state basis were found in Europe and no qualified medical profession that I know of disputes that fact The difference between seasonal flu and COVID 19 is the fact that with seasonal flu we have both preventative and treatment measures capable of reducing the overall death toll. Not eliminate it but impactfully reduce it. With COVID we had NOTHING of the sort , still have NOTHING and the bell sounding the alarm of a return of COVID in a mutated and deadlier form is ringing loudly.

BTW, who said anything about destroying the economy? Yes, it has been impacted but it has proven itself to be able over time to come back.

So it once again comes back to the same question you keep trying to avoid. Do we allow the weak and the aged among us to die for nothing more that for the economic benefit of the rest?
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
The origins of the virus that has resulted in New York which has the most cases and the most deaths on a state by state basis were found in Europe and no qualified medical profession that I know of disputes that fact
It came to Europe from China.
FFS why do you ignorant liberals insist on defending communist China?

Do you even realize you're brainwashed?
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
Do we allow the weak and the aged among us to die for nothing more that for the economic benefit of the rest?
So it once again comes back to the same question you keep trying to avoid.

Do we allow the weak and aged among us to die from the flu for nothing more than for economic benefit?

Answer the question.
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
So it once again comes back to the same question you keep trying to avoid.

Do we allow the weak and aged among us to die from the flu for nothing more than for economic benefit?

Answer the question.
You're the one who keeps believing that we should allow the weak and aged to die just to put more bucks in the pockets of others. Now in your intellectually gifted mind do we allow countless numbers of people who unknowingly came in contact with symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals most they don't even know die with no means to keep them from dying just so that the NYSE can reach new highs? Clearly you think that we should . So why don't you come right out and admit it?

This is the question I asked you. Not the other way around.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
do we allow countless numbers of people who unknowingly came in contact with symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals most they don't even know die
Yes, from the flu every year, rather than shutting down businesses and preventing the spread.

Why are you okay with that?
That's the question I'm asking and you refuse to answer.
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
Yes, from the flu every year, rather than shutting down businesses and preventing the spread.

Why are you okay with that?
That's the question I'm asking and you refuse to answer.
One fact that you simply refuse to accept despite overwhelming medical evidence and professional diagnosis is that COVID is no ordinary flu. In fact reports are coming out showing a surprising number of young adults who survived COVID are showing up back at the hospitals with blood clots and strokes
So tell me, how many times do you see that happening to young adults recovered from seasonal flu?

Do you really think that if there was another way to stop the spread such extreme measures would not have been taken? If less disruptive and equally effective measures existed then just exactly what are they?
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
One fact that you simply refuse to accept despite overwhelming medical evidence and professional diagnosis is that COVID is no ordinary flu. In fact reports are coming out showing a surprising number of young adults who survived COVID are showing up back at the hospitals with blood clots and strokes
So tell me, how many times do you see that happening to young adults recovered from seasonal flu?

Do you really think that if there was another way to stop the spread such extreme measures would not have been taken? If less disruptive and equally effective measures existed then just exactly what are they?
Why are you okay with 50,000+ dying from the flu every year? We could shut down businesses and reduce the deaths.

Why do you refuse to answer that question?
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
Why are you okay with 50,000+ dying from the flu every year? We could shut down businesses and reduce the deaths.

Why do you refuse to answer that question?
According to the CDC the 2018-19 seasonal flu deaths were 34,000 we're well past that with COVID and the end is nowhere in sight. More importantly COVID is 5 to 10 times deadlier for people age 0-45 and 12.5 times deadlier for people 85 and over. That's the basis for taking the current measures .So there's your answer. People still die from seasonal flu and chances are the economy will not be shut down as long as there are effective vaccinations and treatments. Something that we have nothing in the way of when it comes to COVID and it's anyone'ss guess as to when if ever we will have them.
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
Why are you okay with 50,000+ dying from the flu every year? We could shut down businesses and reduce the deaths.

Why do you refuse to answer that question?
In self defense, as I'm a member of that expendable group, influenza has a somewhat successful vaccine, and a treatment protocol that is somewhat effective. It is not as contagious as the coronavirus at this point. This mitigates its effect on society. Whenever we have developed a somewhat effective vaccine, and treatment protocol, for covid-19, we will be able to let it run its course without kneecapping the economy.

A compelling perspective:Here's Why Herd Immunity Won't Save Us From The COVID-19 Pandemic
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
According to the CDC the 2018-19 seasonal flu deaths were 34,000 we're well past that with COVID and the end is nowhere in sight. More importantly COVID is 5 to 10 times deadlier for people age 0-45 and 12.5 times deadlier for people 85 and over. That's the basis for taking the current measures .So there's your answer. People still die from seasonal flu and chances are the economy will not be shut down as long as there are effective vaccinations and treatments. Something that we have nothing in the way of when it comes to COVID and it's anyone'ss guess as to when if ever we will have them.
BTW. Those lethality numbers are direct from the CDC. You got anything to dispute it with.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
According to the CDC the 2018-19 seasonal flu deaths were 34,000 we're well past that with COVID and the end is nowhere in sight.
So you're okay with 34,000 dead from the flu. Interesting. What's the number where it warrants shutting down the economy like this? 50k? 100k?

What's the number of deaths you're okay with?
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
In self defense, as I'm a member of that expendable group, influenza has a somewhat successful vaccine, and a treatment protocol that is somewhat effective. It is not as contagious as the coronavirus at this point. This mitigates its effect on society. Whenever we have developed a somewhat effective vaccine, and treatment protocol, for covid-19, we will be able to let it run its course without kneecapping the economy.

A compelling perspective:Here's Why Herd Immunity Won't Save Us From The COVID-19 Pandemic
Thank you . It comes back to the same inescapable fact. We have nothing to combat COVID with outside of separating the masses and that needless to say is and will continue to be limited in it's effectiveness.
 
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