Time Magazine Publishes the Left's Election Stealing Confession

[zubenelgenubi]

exit polls was trumps failed corona response why tehy voted biden.

you never had a democracy to begin with. the electoral college is a disaster, the amount of money flowing into the system is a disaster, voting lines, voter repression, gerrymandering, etc. all the news propaganda that has you voting for corrupt politicians every 4 years in the first place.

Can't say I entirely disagree. Even though we disagree about corporations' role in capitalism, I agree that the rules regulating corporations are problematic. Not treating corporations as people, with the right to donate money as an expression of free speech, would curtail a lot of problems. We aren't a democracy, and that's a good thing. Gerrymandering is a meh issue for me. Both major parties do it, not sure how much stopping it would change things. The electoral college is a pretty ingenious system, when the systems created for challenges aren't treated as unnecessary formalities.

If people voted against Trump due to covid response, that's another argument for the lying leftist media interfering with elections.

We've seen how quickly things can go off the rails with checks and balances, if we became a pure democracy, the entire world would probably become a glass parking lot in short order.

 

[MAKAVELI]

I'm sorry, Republicans like to think Democratic politicians are politically shrewd and ruthless but it's just not the case. Any electoral success Democrats have is in spite of their strategies and plans, not because of them.

Bruh, Drumpf lost the House, the Senate and reelection. Lol

 

[rickyb]

Can't say I entirely disagree. Even though we disagree about corporations' role in capitalism, I agree that the rules regulating corporations are problematic. Not treating corporations as people, with the right to donate money as an expression of free speech, would curtail a lot of problems. We aren't a democracy, and that's a good thing. Gerrymandering is a meh issue for me. Both major parties do it, not sure how much stopping it would change things. The electoral college is a pretty ingenious system, when the systems created for challenges aren't treated as unnecessary formalities.

If people voted against Trump due to covid response, that's another argument for the lying leftist media interfering with elections.

We've seen how quickly things can go off the rails with checks and balances, if we became a pure democracy, the entire world would probably become a glass parking lot in short order.

left wing and right wing agree on lots of things. it doesnt suprise me at all that we agree on some things.

 

[Macbrother]

Burns your ass up that I say he isn't though, doesn't it.

Did it burn you, when the other side did it in 2016? No? The only thing you generate with comments such as these are amusement and pity.

Gerrymandering is a meh issue for me. Both major parties do it, not sure how much stopping it would change things. The electoral college is a pretty ingenious system, when the systems created for challenges aren't treated as unnecessary formalities.

If people voted against Trump due to covid response, that's another argument for the lying leftist media interfering with elections.

That both parties do it is hardly justification for the disenfranchisement of millions - gerrymandering is arguably the biggest electoral issue we have going, along with unlimited political donations to parties and superPACs.

Regarding electoral college challenges - in what way do you mean they're treated as "unnecessary formalities?" There were over 64 court cases adjudicated by the time we made it to Jan 6th - the certification. So yes, on that day they are simply counted, as all the grunt work is done by thousands of local and state officials in the two months leading up to that date. You weren't trying to gin up the election fraud hoax here, were you?

Finally, you don't need to watch a single second of media to vote against Trump for his Covid response, although I imagine that was merely one reason among many.

 

[oldngray]

Did it burn you, when the other side did it in 2016? No? The only thing you generate with comments such as these are amusement and pity.

That both parties do it is hardly justification for the disenfranchisement of millions - gerrymandering is arguably the biggest electoral issue we have going, along with unlimited political donations to parties and superPACs.

Regarding electoral college challenges - in what way do you mean they're treated as "unnecessary formalities?" There were over 64 court cases adjudicated by the time we made it to Jan 6th - the certification. So yes, on that day they are simply counted, as all the grunt work is done by thousands of local and state officials in the two months leading up to that date. You weren't trying to gin up the election fraud hoax here, were you?

Finally, you don't need to watch a single second of media to vote against Trump for his Covid response, although I imagine that was merely one reason among many.

Your opinion of Trump's Covid response demonstrates you do watch media and believe the distortions. I suggest you research the facts and the real timelines of what happened.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

That both parties do it is hardly justification for the disenfranchisement of millions

There is no evidence of voter disenfranchisement. You weren't trying to gin up an election fraud hoax here, were you?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Did it burn you, when the other side did it in 2016? No? The only thing you generate with comments such as these are amusement and pity.

That both parties do it is hardly justification for the disenfranchisement of millions - gerrymandering is arguably the biggest electoral issue we have going, along with unlimited political donations to parties and superPACs.

Regarding electoral college challenges - in what way do you mean they're treated as "unnecessary formalities?" There were over 64 court cases adjudicated by the time we made it to Jan 6th - the certification. So yes, on that day they are simply counted, as all the grunt work is done by thousands of local and state officials in the two months leading up to that date. You weren't trying to gin up the election fraud hoax here, were you?

Finally, you don't need to watch a single second of media to vote against Trump for his Covid response, although I imagine that was merely one reason among many.

I'm only going to address the gerrymandering because the rest I don't feel like getting into with you. Districts have to be redrawn due to population changes from time to time. What would you change about the processes that would prevent gerrymandering? Would you prefer each state be divided up in a symmetrical grid system?

And disenfranchisement? Are you saying you're disenfranchised when your party doesn't win an election due to legal changes to the election process? Interesting. What happens when your party loses due to questionable changes to the election process, and you get shut out of all methods of contesting them? Whoops, that's moving a little off the topic I said I would address. I withdraw the question.

 

[Sportello]

There is no evidence of voter disenfranchisement. You weren't trying to gin up an election fraud hoax here, were you?

Wrong

 

[zubenelgenubi]

There is no evidence of voter disenfranchisement. You weren't trying to gin up an election fraud hoax here, were you?

As far as I can tell these people actually believe that it's disenfranchisement when their side loses, and it's democracy when they win. That justifies every action they take to "fortify elections", and "defend democracy". This article clearly spells out how a shadow cabal of conspirators (their words) threatened continued rioting if Facebook and Twitter didn't control disinformation (ie information that would hurt the efforts to ouster Trump regardless of whether it was true or not) and other businesses didn't do their part.

Now, replace all those people involved with Trump supporters doing all this to make sure Trump won. These people wouldn't be so flippant about that. They would demand more rioting, and that everything in DC be razed to the ground. And that wouldn't be insurrection, in their eyes, either.

They actually believe it's only fair if their side wins, which is how children conceptualize the world.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

Wrong

Only in your mind.

 

[Sportello]

Only in your mind.

Analysis: New and age-old voter suppression tactics at the heart of the 2020 power struggle

2020 voter suppression tactics are modern-day cousins of the white supremacist measures taken to keep Black people from voting in the Jim Crow era.

publicintegrity.org

Investigation of Voter Suppression

oversight.house.gov

'There is a voter-suppression wing': An ugly American tradition clouds the 2020 presidential race

At the courts and polls, President Trump and his allies move to limit voting. The GOP cites fraud, but voting rights advocates see an old foe: voter suppression.

www.latimes.com

US election 2020: Why it can be hard to vote in the US

Long queues, weird rules and strict ID laws... what are the barriers to voting and why do they exist?

www.bbc.com

Are long voting lines evidence of voter suppression? An expert explains.

“The vast majority of Americans are going to have a completely uneventful voting experience.”

www.vox.com

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

Are long voting lines evidence of voter suppression? An expert explains.

“The vast majority of Americans are going to have a completely uneventful voting experience.”

www.vox.com

Oh well gee, if the communist propaganda site Vox.com says having to wait in line equals voter suppression, then it must be true!

Lol.

 

[Macbrother]

Your opinion of Trump's Covid response demonstrates you do watch media and believe the distortions. I suggest you research the facts and the real timelines of what happened.

Here's some research for you: The United States has 4% of the world's population and 20% of the world's Covid deaths. Only Italy and the UK had more dead per million. This is your idea of a good job?

I'm only going to address the gerrymandering because the rest I don't feel like getting into with you. Districts have to be redrawn due to population changes from time to time. What would you change about the processes that would prevent gerrymandering? Would you prefer each state be divided up in a symmetrical grid system?

Very simple. A nonpartisan committee comprised of people who aren't politicians or lobbyists, approved by a judge ,with districts which are compact and contiguous. Over 17 states already have one.

And disenfranchisement? Are you saying you're disenfranchised when your party doesn't win an election due to legal changes to the election process? Interesting. What happens when your party loses due to questionable changes to the election process, and you get shut out of all methods of contesting them? Whoops, that's moving a little off the topic I said I would address. I withdraw the question.

No. In 2016 North Carolina's districts were so badly gerrymandered that Republicans won 10 out of 13 districts, despite only getting 53% of the vote. That's disenfranchisement. To be fair, let's look at Maryland. In 2014, the state voted 41% Republican, yet only won 1 out of 8 districts. State congressional elections are often even worse. It's utterly undemocratic, and has no business still being around in 2020.

Now, regarding your last statement - changes to the election process were contested, and defeated decisively by all state supreme courts in question, and those state supreme court rulings were affirmed by the United States supreme court. We have an arena to contest decisions and processes - it's called the courts. Sorry things didn't go your way.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Here's some research for you: The United States has 4% of the world's population and 20% of the world's Covid deaths. Only Italy and the UK had more dead per million. This is your idea of a good job?

Very simple. A nonpartisan committee comprised of people who aren't politicians or lobbyists, approved by a judge ,with districts which are compact and contiguous. Over 17 states already have one.


No. In 2016 North Carolina's districts were so badly gerrymandered that Republicans won 10 out of 13 districts, despite only getting 53% of the vote. That's disenfranchisement. To be fair, let's look at Maryland. In 2014, the state voted 41% Republican, yet only won 1 out of 8 districts. State congressional elections are often even worse. It's utterly undemocratic, and has no business still being around in 2020.

Now, regarding your last statement - changes to the election process were contested, and defeated decisively by all state supreme courts in question, and those state supreme court rulings were affirmed by the United States supreme court. We have an arena to contest decisions and processes - it's called the courts. Sorry things didn't go your way.

You are free to believe anything you want, facts be damned.

And good luck finding nonpartisan committees and judges.

 

[El Correcto]

As far as I can tell these people actually believe that it's disenfranchisement when their side loses, and it's democracy when they win. That justifies every action they take to "fortify elections", and "defend democracy". This article clearly spells out how a shadow cabal of conspirators (their words) threatened continued rioting if Facebook and Twitter didn't control disinformation (ie information that would hurt the efforts to ouster Trump regardless of whether it was true or not) and other businesses didn't do their part.

Now, replace all those people involved with Trump supporters doing all this to make sure Trump won. These people wouldn't be so flippant about that. They would demand more rioting, and that everything in DC be razed to the ground. And that wouldn't be insurrection, in their eyes, either.

They actually believe it's only fair if their side wins, which is how children conceptualize the world.

Analysis: New and age-old voter suppression tactics at the heart of the 2020 power struggle

2020 voter suppression tactics are modern-day cousins of the white supremacist measures taken to keep Black people from voting in the Jim Crow era.

publicintegrity.org

Investigation of Voter Suppression

oversight.house.gov

'There is a voter-suppression wing': An ugly American tradition clouds the 2020 presidential race

At the courts and polls, President Trump and his allies move to limit voting. The GOP cites fraud, but voting rights advocates see an old foe: voter suppression.

www.latimes.com

US election 2020: Why it can be hard to vote in the US

Long queues, weird rules and strict ID laws... what are the barriers to voting and why do they exist?

www.bbc.com

Are long voting lines evidence of voter suppression? An expert explains.

“The vast majority of Americans are going to have a completely uneventful voting experience.”

www.vox.com

But look what vox dot com reported!
the absolute state of democrat ignorance.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

But look what vox dot com reported!
the absolute state of democrat ignorance.

I mean, it's unsurprising they can find so many people who share their terrible opinions, but an appeal to the masses is still a logical fallacy.

 

[rickyb]

Can't say I entirely disagree. Even though we disagree about corporations' role in capitalism, I agree that the rules regulating corporations are problematic. Not treating corporations as people, with the right to donate money as an expression of free speech, would curtail a lot of problems. We aren't a democracy, and that's a good thing. Gerrymandering is a meh issue for me. Both major parties do it, not sure how much stopping it would change things. The electoral college is a pretty ingenious system, when the systems created for challenges aren't treated as unnecessary formalities.

If people voted against Trump due to covid response, that's another argument for the lying leftist media interfering with elections.

We've seen how quickly things can go off the rails with checks and balances, if we became a pure democracy, the entire world would probably become a glass parking lot in short order.

check out ralph nader on gerrmandering

 

[Macbrother]

You are free to believe anything you want, facts be damned.

And good luck finding nonpartisan committees and judges.

Oh? Which facts did I overlook? Enlighten me, I'm all ears. The only thing I see from you, and your ilk, are posts heavy on personal attacks - light on data.

 

[Sportello]

Oh? Which facts did I overlook? Enlighten me, I'm all ears. The only thing I see from you, and your ilk, are posts heavy on personal attacks - light on data.

You can’t argue with these people. You’re better off just praying that they get de-programmed someday. It’s a cult.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Oh? Which facts did I overlook? Enlighten me, I'm all ears. The only thing I see from you, and your ilk, are posts heavy on personal attacks - light on data.

I've explained it in detail. You substitute your alternate facts for reality then point the finger at everyone else. I have no time to deal with that nonsense.