Traditional Conservative Values...are now found in current events.

[bacha29]

Which historians? Allegations made by liberal journalists. Obama did send, what was it, 400 million dollars worth of Euros and Swiss Francs on an unmarked plane at night to release hostages held by Iran recently. Maybe that's the incident you're referring to.

The money you are talking about is the lawful property of the Iranian government that was frozen by the US in 1979 . As part of the nuclear deal the US government agreed to release those assets.

 

[Oldfart]

The money you are talking about is the lawful property of the Iranian government that was frozen by the US in 1979 . As part of the nuclear deal the US government agreed to release those assets.

Released it at the same time hostages were released. Funny timing

 

[bacha29]

Released it at the same time hostages were released. Funny timing

It was about the opportunity to free hostages while releasing money that was previously agreed to . At the time the political climate with Iran which will never be good was the best it had been for a while given the nuclear agreement and the opportunity to get them out of there was the best it had been for a long time. Summary : They got their money. We got our citizens.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Was the timing of their release meant to embarrass Carter?

 

[vantexan]

It was about the opportunity to free hostages while releasing money that was previously agreed to . At the time the political climate with Iran which will never be good was the best it had been for a while given the nuclear agreement and the opportunity to get them out of there was the best it had been for a long time. Summary : They got their money. We got our citizens.

And so it didn't appear to be money for hostages they snuck it over in the dead of night instead of, since it was legitimate as you said, just paying them dollars through a bank transfer. Yep, on the up and up there.

 

[vantexan]

It was about the opportunity to free hostages while releasing money that was previously agreed to . At the time the political climate with Iran which will never be good was the best it had been for a while given the nuclear agreement and the opportunity to get them out of there was the best it had been for a long time. Summary : They got their money. We got our citizens.

And every potential kidnapper in the world took notice. Thanks Obama!

 

[bacha29]

And so it didn't appear to be money for hostages they snuck it over in the dead of night instead of, since it was legitimate as you said, just paying them dollars through a bank transfer. Yep, on the up and up there.

The money was theirs the hostages were American citizens. They got was was theirs . We got what was ours. Rest assured if one of them was your kid you would take the deal because the window was closing rapidly.

 

[bacha29]

And every potential kidnapper in the world took notice. Thanks Obama!

This was a matter between two sovereign governments. The potential for kidnapping exists any place in the world including Mexico. A lot of it goes on there and the US wouldn't look too kindly on the Mexican government if they started doing it but be on the lookout for the drug cartels down there thye have no control over them. And if you were to be kidnapped down there , there's only one person you can blame it on.......Obama.

 

[Oldfart]

Was the timing of their release meant to embarrass Carter?

He didnt need any help being embarrassed. He was able to do that all on his own

 

[vantexan]

This was a matter between two sovereign governments. The potential for kidnapping exists any place in the world including Mexico. A lot of it goes on there and the US wouldn't look too kindly on the Mexican government if they started doing it but be on the lookout for the drug cartels down there thye have no control over them. And if you were to be kidnapped down there , there's only one person you can blame it on.......Obama.

Not worried about foreign gov'ts. Our gov't has a longstanding policy of not negotiating with terrorists, hostage takers, et al. Obama put every American who travels overseas at risk paying that ransom. If you can't see that I give up trying to reason with you.

 

[vantexan]

The money was theirs the hostages were American citizens. They got was was theirs . We got what was ours. Rest assured if one of them was your kid you would take the deal because the window was closing rapidly.

They also got 150 billion dollars under the nuclear weapons agreement. If that 400 million wasn't a ransom why transport it the way they did?

 

[BrownArmy]

They also got 150 billion dollars under the nuclear weapons agreement. If that 400 million wasn't a ransom why transport it the way they did?

Because maybe, due to sanctions, there literally wasn't a bank account to transfer money to.

You realize we were giving them their own money back, right?

Do you know the US/Iran history?

 

[Fred's Myth]

then the bankruptcy plan called for 5or 6 after market manufacturers were to make a limited number of GM parts for a limited number of GM models for 5 years. Afterward if you had a GM product that needed parts then off to the junkyard you go.

And now the normalization with Cuba has been threatened! We'll NEVER get parts for our older cars now!

 

[vantexan]

Because maybe, due to sanctions, there literally wasn't a bank account to transfer money to.

You realize we were giving them their own money back, right?

Do you know the US/Iran history?

You think the Iranians don't bank in Switzerland like everyone else? And yes, I'm very aware of our history with Iran. And you do realize we froze their money because of the hostage situation? And the mullahs have been the biggest state sponsor of terror since?

 

[bacha29]

The only nation that has ever had an effective Middle East policy was the Nazi's. Not the French, the British, The Russians or the Americans.

 

[Fred's Myth]

The only nation that has ever had an effective Middle East policy was the Nazi's. Not the French, the British, The Russians or the Americans.

My World Geography is getting a bit fuzzy in my old age...where exactly on the globe is Nazi? I found France, Britain, Russia, and the Americas....but Nazi has me stumped.

 

[!Retired!]

Obama saved GM, not the entire industry. Instead of a normal structured bankruptcy he pushed through a bankruptcy that caused GM's creditors to lose billions and yet GM still lost 25% of it's workforce. The gov't still owns GM stock and won't sell them as the full extent of gov't expenditure would then be known. And the underlying cause of near GM collapse hasn't been fixed, which was very high pay, gold plated benefits, that make the company vulnerable to serious economic downturns. Trump on the other hand is looking to create an environment where companies can thrive and provide jobs to everyone willing to work and reducing incentives not to work.

The government sold off all GM shares at a loss of $10.5 Billion.

 

[vantexan]

The government sold off all GM shares at a loss of $10.5 Billion.

Wasn't aware of that, good to know. So we are arguing over $7 million in tax incentives for Carrier when we know the gov't has shelled out $11 billion on two companies.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Wasn't aware of that, good to know. So we are arguing over $7 million in tax incentives for Carrier when we know the gov't has shelled out $11 billion on two companies.

$7 million and who knows what else. And that's before he takes the oath. It's just the beginning Van. BTW has he placed his businesses in a blind trust yet?

 

[vantexan]

$7 million and who knows what else. And that's before he takes the oath. It's just the beginning Van. BTW has he placed his businesses in a blind trust yet?

Yeah he's going to have to let go at some point.