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qdg2

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You lost me in the first sentence "Most have it pretty good(six or near figures)".

That just isn't true and is a company driven false narrative.

The vast majority do nowhere near that well and the minority that do, have invested many years to get there.
IDK.....

I made 6 figures for quite a few years and made even more about $1k(take home)(more) per week in sleepers. Even though I had "invested" many years at UPS, I was still only # 30 in feeders(because of the go to the bottom system). I always bid 50+ hour week jobs etc. I was willing and able to work....so I did.

False narrative......UPS'ers are the highest paid in the industry. Bottom of the barrel 45 hour jobs will pay about $80K. I made that for many years. I know most folks can only dream of such pay. Not to mention bennies.

A part-timer would have your perspective.

UPS has always been considered a "good job" by the public. Pay wise.
 

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IDK.....

I made 6 figures for quite a few years and made even more about $1k(take home)(more) per week in sleepers. Even though I had "invested" many years at UPS, I was still only # 30 in feeders(because of the go to the bottom system). I always bid 50+ hour week jobs etc. I was willing and able to work....so I did.

False narrative......UPS'ers are the highest paid in the industry. Bottom of the barrel 45 hour jobs will pay about $80K. I made that for many years. I know most folks can only dream of such pay. Not to mention bennies.

A part-timer would have your perspective.

UPS has always been considered a "good job" by the public. Pay wise.
I will say it again "the majority" (part-timers), which you almost grasped, do not get 45 hours and do not make 80k plus benefits or anything near that.

....and most that do, the vast "minority" of UPSer's (top scale full-timers), mostly matriculate from these part-time ranks and experience various lengthy progressions and earn every penny before and after.

UPS hourly employees are handed nothing and are just in their pursuit of their fair share of the pie.

So what you posted is a Company and Corporate America driven narrative, one that needs to be corrected and not accepted.
 

qdg2

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I will say it again "the majority" (part-timers), which you almost grasped, do not get 45 hours and do not make 80k plus benefits or anything near that.

....and most that do, the vast "minority" of UPSer's (top scale full-timers), mostly matriculate from these part-time ranks and experience various lengthy progressions and earn every penny before and after.

UPS hourly employees are handed nothing and are just in their pursuit of their fair share of the pie.

So what you posted is a Company and Corporate America driven narrative, one that needs to be corrected and not accepted.
Well, accept what you will....or won't.

Part-timers are just that. Part-time. What do you want? Even UPS part-timers have better benefits than most people in the world.

Those lengthy progressions were negotiated BY THE UNION and voted on by the members. You were sold down the river by the Union and yourselves. Fact.

Want more money? Get a full time job. Go someplace else and see what's out there. Plenty of places hiring....

Part-timers aren't meant to make $100k . Anywhere. Full stop. UPS goes away? You'll be at Amazon or FDX.......Post Office I suppose. Let that matriculate for a while....

The podcast mentioned was really talking about full-time employees. Why? Part-timers aren't supposed to be lifers.......they are so transient as to not be considered overall. I think most folks in the real world would have that sentiment.

That being said........we all know part-timers are an essential function(at UPS). They ain't gonna make $40 per hour though.

The podcast guy is a consultant. He "helps" Corporations. You work for a Corporation. Actually you are a contractor bound by a negotiated contract. This was made clear in '97. Without that contract....you will be out of a job. I think the consultant would have far more knowledge than anyone on BC and worth a listen. Shrug.
 

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In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Well, accept what you will....or won't.

Part-timers are just that. Part-time. What do you want? Even UPS part-timers have better benefits than most people in the world.

Those lengthy progressions were negotiated BY THE UNION and voted on by the members. You were sold down the river by the Union and yourselves. Fact.

Want more money? Get a full time job. Go someplace else and see what's out there. Plenty of places hiring....

Part-timers aren't meant to make $100k . Anywhere. Full stop. UPS goes away? You'll be at Amazon or FDX.......Post Office I suppose. Let that matriculate for a while....

The podcast mentioned was really talking about full-time employees. Why? Part-timers aren't supposed to be lifers.......they are so transient as to not be considered overall. I think most folks in the real world would have that sentiment.

That being said........we all know part-timers are an essential function(at UPS). They ain't gonna make $40 per hour though.

The podcast guy is a consultant. He "helps" Corporations. You work for a Corporation. Actually you are a contractor bound by a negotiated contract. This was made clear in '97. Without that contract....you will be out of a job. I think the consultant would have far more knowledge than anyone on BC and worth a listen. Shrug.

You think "WRONG"...

Please remember that most of us on Brown Cafe have at least 25 years in already, part time and full time. I am not a so called professional, nor claim to be but I would surpass that Consultant just from my (45 years) with dealing with the Company and the Union.

Absolutely no contest...

Go back and research the archives...previously I was posting under @Cezanne and @O/C a decade before on B/C..before that I was on the defunct T-Net.
 

DELACROIX

In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
I hate to be critical about this issue, but one would think that those loopholes on ALL our pension benefits would of been settled with this last contract, especially with this new and improved IBT/UPS Pension plan going into effect. If anybody who ever tried to get any information about their pension benefits can testify it is next to impossible to get anything in concrete writing. Test my theory everybody who is eligible for retirement benefits send a letter to both Washington and Atlanta asking for pension estimates, or better yet any legal documents concerning your pension and or health and welfare benefits, active or retiree status. It is stonewalling at it's best, just what are these trustees hiding considering our rights under the ERISA act. Sure it is very complicated, so many pension plans and formulas, but it is your money they are controlling, there should be accountability somewhere. The most frustrating part about these collectively bargaining pension and or health and welfare plans whether they be under company or union control is that they are funded through negotiated monetary increases per master contract language article 34. Why then does one group of members get 6,000 a month pension benefits, some 3,000 and believe it not some 1,500 with the same amount of service time. Something is rotten in demark, if you get my drift.

From my limited understanding the "Reciprocity Agreement" in this new UBT/UPS Pension plan that combines your part time years with your full time years is based on when you left the UPS Pension Plan for part timers and started out under the Central States trust. It is based on a percentage of standard 30 year benefits, for example if you worked 20 years as a part timer it would be 2/3 of a 30 year benefit when you left the plan. For example 2/3 of 1,000 comes out to about 750, the problem is as quoted by Tardus, that 6 percent per year reduction before age 65, which in effects kicks that 750 down to about 400 dollars a month at retirement age of 55. It is not based on 55 dollars per part time service year as most members believe, that is only for active part time pensioners. Those part time totals are then added to your full time years which actually pay as 100 dollars a service year in my area, whether this new IBT/UPS Pension plan has that early retirement penality is not clear. So to make a long story short, our 20 year part time and 10 year full time future pensioner would be looking at around 1,400 dollars a month with 30 service years and retiring at age 55. If they decide to retire earlier before age 55 even with 30 years in that total would be reduced according.

Here is an example and I just dabble on this site...this was 13 years ago, but still applies to this coming Contract.

Bottom line is that part timers and anyone else with part time pension credits under the Central and Southern have been totally screwed over the last 26 years, and it sure looks like they will be getting nothing under this one..
 

qdg2

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Here is an example and I just dabble on this site...this was 13 years ago, but still applies to this coming Contract.

Bottom line is that part timers and anyone else with part time pension credits under the Central and Southern have been totally screwed over the last 26 years, and it sure looks like they will be getting nothing under this one..
I can remember 25 and out! being touted as a win win.....

I thought long and hard about it then. But discovered not so fast......penalties before age 57 and so on. I think $500. Since I started at age 18....it would have been years until age 57. Fact is, they didn't want you to retire early. Couldn't(Pension) afford it then or now.
 
Yep.

You are the Texas version of @UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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qdg2

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You think "WRONG"...

Please remember that most of us on Brown Cafe have at least 25 years in already, part time and full time. I am not a so called professional, nor claim to be but I would surpass that Consultant just from my (45 years) with dealing with the Company and the Union.

Absolutely no contest...

Go back and research the archives...previously I was posting under @Cezanne and @O/C a decade before on B/C..before that I was on the defunct T-Net.
Huh, with all respect......you, an employee(assuming) would have more inside knowledge about Company finances, logistics, I.E., and FDX's and Amazon's? Fascinating.

And say, where did you get this training and inside knowledge? Serious question. I would think maybe a Division Level Mgr and up and probably a District Mgr. really would have such information. I was told by a Mgr. that District Mgr's are considered "Executives" at UPS.

I'm curious, why does/did UPS hire a "business" consultant anyway? Or FDX for that matter.

So, based on your words, just being at UPS say 40+ years makes you more knowledgeable? Vs. a person with intimate inside knowledge?

I've seen many leaps of logic based on "profits" leading to "what we should get" etc.....

I've seen many elected Presidents at the local level clearly out of their depth.....in control of careers and lot's of money.......based on sometimes skin color.....
 
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