Two tier wage system, who does it affect?

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Because I don't feel someone doing the same job as me should make less than me.

I agree but it is inevitable.

Ground has clearly shown that the job can be done in a satisfactory manner for 1/3 to 1/2 of what we make.

 

[542thruNthru]

That's nice.

Nike has also shown that young kids can make shoes for penny's a day.

I guess all the rest of the shoe companies need to cut salaries ASAP.

 

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The two tiered wage system will be a reality in the near future.

I don't know what the cut off will be as to who would be affected by this.

It does take 10 yrs to become vested in the pension

 

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I would never vote yes no matter what they gave me.

Seems pretty clear cut to me.

I vote no every time also. Just because of what the union concedes/give aways. Why they give a company that makes 4 billion a yr --profit/a break? Ups cries they are going broke. The union says "what do you want "

 

[By The Book]

It does take 10 yrs to become vested in the pension

I thought it only took 5 years to become vested in the pension

 

[Inthegame]

It does take 10 yrs to become vested in the pension

Most pension plans have 5 yr vesting.

 

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I thought it only took 5 years to become vested in the pension

Took me ten. Maybe it has changed,? But, I don't think so.

 

[Inthegame]

UPS does not "profit" 16 billion a year.

 

[no more than 9]

...and you wonder why people think that we are overpaid with a false sense of entitlement...

My retort would be, "Please, come and work a day in my shoes"

 

[By The Book]

Took me ten. Maybe it has changed,? But, I don't think so.

It's 5 out west, it's been that way a long time. I've not heard of 10 before.

 

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...and you wonder why people think that we are overpaid with a false sense of entitlement...

I have never met a person who thought this. Except management. Most people know we earn every penny we get

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

It does take 10 yrs to become vested in the pension

Since when?

 

[Catatonic]

Is he talking about regular full time drivers. If so ,he is smoking crack and needs to change dealers immediately

I know a guy ...

 

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UPS does not "profit" 16 billion a year.

Correct. Meant 4 billion for the yr 2015. Thanks

 

[ManInBrown]

I know of no tier pay in this contract. It maybe an issue for the 18 contract. If it does happen, it will probably affect new hires or less than 10 yrs

Affecting 10 years or less drivers is one of the funniest things I've ever heard. So a driver with 9years FT seniority is being told he's taking a pay cut? LOL. That'll go over well.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I have never met a person who thought this. Except management. Most people know we earn every penny we get

We do earn it

 

[km3]

I have never met a person who thought this. Except management. Most people know we earn every penny we get

Even if they do believe that, they learn if they get the opportunity to sit in the driver's seat. A friend who has the same seniority date as me that went driving back in July just self-disqualified. I asked why, and he said the psychological and physiological effects of the stress he was under resulted in multiple emergency room visits. He decided that making a career out of driving wouldn't be good for his health. He also said that he takes everything he's ever said back, about bringing some driver money back into the hub. Now he thinks drivers are underpaid.

 

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Affecting 10 years or less drivers is one of the funniest things I've ever heard. So a driver with 9years FT seniority is being told he's taking a pay cut? LOL. That'll go over well.[/QUOTE

My pension is being cut 20% next yr. You don't think it can't.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

One has nothing to do with the other.

 

[ManInBrown]

I put 15% weekly in my 401K. When I retire I'm expecting no pension the way things are going. Sorry to hear of your PLIGHT. Again, it's comical to think a driver with 9yrs FT seniority is being told your pay is being cut 6,7, or 8 dollars an hour.