Ukraine-Russia

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
Putin does not want peace. How do you still not understand that?
I wouldn’t want peace if I was him now either after everyone around him says they’re going to attack him. What benefit does peace give him at this point? How do you not understand that? If I were him at this point, I would go ahead and take all of Ukraine. And he most likely will and can and will not be stopped. War is about advantage and he has all of it right now. As well as they have threatened to kill him and remove him from power. There is no real reason for him to do anything but continue. A couple years ago when Joe Biden was in power and refused to have any conversations about peace. This was not the case. The United States was giving weapons with no real blueprint for an outcome or ending just the continuation of war for as long as possible. And this is our outcome.
 

Doublestandards

Well-Known Member
I wouldn’t want peace if I was him now either after everyone around him says they’re going to attack him. What benefit does peace give him at this point? How do you not understand that? If I were him at this point, I would go ahead and take all of Ukraine. And he most likely will and can and will not be stopped. War is about advantage and he has all of it right now. As well as they have threatened to kill him and remove him from power. There is no real reason for him to do anything but continue. A couple years ago when Joe Biden was in power and refused to have any conversations about peace. This was not the case. The United States was giving weapons with no real blueprint for an outcome or ending just the continuation of war for as long as possible. And this is our outcome.
You say they should have negotiated a peace deal like no one thought of that. How many different scenarios and methods tried will it take for you to realize Putin has a plan and he doesn’t want peace?

We had the Budapest agreement between Ukraine Russia and America, and Putin violated it and invaded Ukraine

Obama was hands off and Putin took advantage

Biden was hands on and made it harder for Putin but he hasn’t backed down

Trump tried playing nice and basically kissing his ass and giving him a great deal and he’s rejecting

Like I said, Russia is teaming up with North Korea, Iran and Hamas, this isn’t good and it’s only going to get worse the longer we let him go
 

BadIdeaGuy

Moderator
Staff member
You say they should have negotiated a peace deal like no one thought of that. How many different scenarios and methods tried will it take for you to realize Putin has a plan and he doesn’t want peace?

We had the Budapest agreement between Ukraine Russia and America, and Putin violated it and invaded Ukraine

Obama was hands off and Putin took advantage

Biden was hands on and made it harder for Putin but he hasn’t backed down

Trump tried playing nice and basically kissing his ass and giving him a great deal and he’s rejecting

Like I said, Russia is teaming up with North Korea, Iran and Hamas, this isn’t good and it’s only going to get worse the longer we let him go
Not exactly sounding like a libertarian just now...
 

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
You say they should have negotiated a peace deal like no one thought of that. How many different scenarios and methods tried will it take for you to realize Putin has a plan and he doesn’t want peace?

We had the Budapest agreement between Ukraine Russia and America, and Putin violated it and invaded Ukraine

Obama was hands off and Putin took advantage

Biden was hands on and made it harder for Putin but he hasn’t backed down

Trump tried playing nice and basically kissing his ass and giving him a great deal and he’s rejecting

Like I said, Russia is teaming up with North Korea, Iran and Hamas, this isn’t good and it’s only going to get worse the longer we let him go
Lol there was never any plan for peace before Trump was in office. Absolutely none that is a fallacy.
 

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
Not exactly sounding like a libertarian just now...
Nope, sounding like a Warhawk. Again, a true libertarian would ask the question why are we always inserting ourselves in every conflict around the world? It certainly isn’t to create peace because that definitely isn’t working regardless of who is president.
 

Doublestandards

Well-Known Member
Nope, sounding like a Warhawk. Again, a true libertarian would ask the question why are we always inserting ourselves in every conflict around the world? It certainly isn’t to create peace because that definitely isn’t working regardless of who is president.
You support Israel in their war as well, because you believe it has strategic alliance. They are not a member of nato, and neither is Ukraine, but is arguably just as important of a situation

Trump just gave billions to them and you are not nearly as outspoken about it. That doesn’t make you a “Warhawk”
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
He doesn’t want just a win. He has blood on his hands. He needs a defeat on his resume?
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