Ukraine-Russia

[Doublestandards]

If his stance is somehow, Trump supports Israel and he doesn’t like it it’s not like voting for Kamala Harris would’ve made a difference. She was going to continue supporting the war in Ukraine and giving money to Israel as well.

Not sure how you got that as being my stance

 

[Doublestandards]

Do you concede the point?

You're just deflecting and moving onto something else.

We do more than 10X the business with Israel that we do with Ukraine.

What is the level of business does it take for us to help a non nato ally?

How much more trade would we have to do with Ukraine to justify helping them?

 

[Thebrownblob]

Not sure how you got that as being my stance

I don’t know what your stance is except you want more war with Russia even though you have no idea why you want it know what the outcome should be nor why we should be there.

 

[Thebrownblob]

What is the level of business does it take for us to help a non nato ally?

How much more trade would we have to do with Ukraine to justify helping them?

I’ve already explained that to you as well. If you put your head on the pillow tonight, and Israel was suddenly gone, you would definitely notice.. it would affect your life probably tomorrow if you put your head on the pillow tonight, and Ukraine was suddenly gone if the news didn’t tell you, you wouldn’t know. That’s strategic importance measuring stick.

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

What is the level of business does it take for us to help a non nato ally?

How much more trade would we have to do with Ukraine to justify helping them?

Do you concede that they are far more important strategically?
I linked you government documents to support my argument, and the hand wringing on your part is mildly irritating.

Yes, or no?

 

[Thebrownblob]

Do you concede that they are far more important strategically?
I linked you government documents to support my argument, and the hand wringing on your part is mildly irritating.

Yes, or no?

No, he can’t because it would blow up his whole theory he’s had for the last three years that it was super important that we do this.

Even though once again, we don’t know why we’re there. We don’t know what we’re doing. We don’t know what our ultimate goal is just pouring money into the situation like pouring gas on a fire.

 

[Doublestandards]

I’ve already explained that to you as well. If you put your head on the pillow tonight, and Israel was suddenly gone, you would definitely notice.. it would affect your life probably tomorrow if you put your head on the pillow tonight, and Ukraine was suddenly gone if the news didn’t tell you, you wouldn’t know. That’s strategic importance measuring stick.

Are you saying because it would effect oil prices?

 

[Doublestandards]

Do you concede that they are far more important strategically?
I linked you government documents to support my argument, and the hand wringing on your part is mildly irritating.

Yes, or no?

I don’t know what’s more important strategically? You showed me they spend more on trade, so I can see they’re more important economically, is that what you’re asking?

 

[Doublestandards]

No, he can’t because it would blow up his whole theory he’s had for the last three years that it was super important that we do this.

Even though once again, we don’t know why we’re there. We don’t know what we’re doing. We don’t know what our ultimate goal is just pouring money into the situation like pouring gas on a fire.

So the reason that you support us sending billions to Israel for so many years is because they have oil? And that’s what makes it ok but not for Ukraine?

 

[Thebrownblob]

So the reason that you support us sending billions to Israel for so many years is because they have oil?

Again, I didn’t say I support or don’t support. I said I understand. I don’t necessarily agree with everything The Israeli government does with that money.

But the last I checked, this thread is about Russia, Ukraine and you haven’t really explained your position on it. Other than to say other people support some other country getting money.. that’s not a great position.

 

[Doublestandards]

Again, I didn’t say I support or don’t support. I said I understand. I don’t necessarily agree with everything The Israeli government does with that money.

But the last I checked, this thread is about Russia, Ukraine and you haven’t really explained your position on it. Other than to say other people support some other country getting money.. that’s not a great position.

I believe there’s just as much strategic importance to helping Ukraine as there is to Israel

I don’t like how Russia is working alongside North Korea, Iran and Hamas and actively invading countries, and I think it’s in our best interest to knock Russia down a few notches before they get stronger and harder to beat

Russia is actively working with Iran and helping them build their nuclear, and it seems like we were going to have a problem with them inevitably in the future if we don’t squash it now

You’ve said before that Ukraine isn’t a nation member, but neither is Israel and we’re still helping them because of the strategic importance as you said

It just seems like we’re kicking the can down the road

If Obama was tougher on Russia in the beginning, would Hamas and Iran be in a weaker spot today? Seems like the stronger Russia is the stronger they can become too

 

[Thebrownblob]

I believe there’s just as much strategic importance to helping Ukraine as there is to Israel

I don’t like how Russia is working alongside North Korea, Iran and Hamas and actively invading countries, and I think it’s in our best interest to knock Russia down a few notches before they get stronger and harder to beat

Russia is actively working with Iran and helping them build their nuclear, and it seems like we were going to have a problem with them inevitably in the future if we don’t squash it now

You’ve said before that Ukraine isn’t a nation member, but neither is Israel and we’re still helping them because of the strategic importance as you said

It just seems like we’re kicking the can down the road

If Obama was tougher on Russia in the beginning, would Hamas and Iran be in a weaker spot today? Seems like the stronger Russia is the stronger they can become too

Oh, OK. I stopped reading at the first line when you said you believed or feel there’s as much strategic importance to Ukraine as Israel lol I think we’re done here. You can have your Feels.

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

Oh, OK. I stopped reading at the first line when you said you believed or feel there’s as much strategic importance to Ukraine as Israel lol I think we’re done here. You can have your Feels.

Well summed up.

This one just seems like it's entirely from emotion.

 

[Doublestandards]

Oh, OK. I stopped reading at the first line when you said you believed or feel there’s as much strategic importance to Ukraine as Israel lol I think we’re done here. You can have your Feels.

That’s ok we can agree to disagree

Maybe Russia will stop after Ukraine and everything is blown out of proportion

Do you agree with economic sanctions on Russia?

 

[newfie]

What strategic importance does Israel have that Ukraine doesn’t?

Israel geopolitical value with a highly skilled military and intelligence network

the ukraine has more regional value , very little military or intelligence value. One we would have to prop up, one that would drain us .

 

[Doublestandards]

Israel geopolitical value with a highly skilled military and intelligence network

the ukraine has more regional value , very little military or intelligence value. One we would have to prop up, one that would drain us .

I agree with what you’re saying

I’ve said I understand and support helping Israel, but we’ve also given Israel over $300 billion dollars.

 

[Over70irregs]

So Russia, Iran and North Korea are going to take over Europe? With a severely weakened Russia, according to what you’re telling me? Hmmm call me unconcerned.

Again, can you tell me what strategic import Ukraine has for us? Nobody ever has because it doesn’t have any.

I believe Ukraine is a geographic European gateway.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I believe Ukraine is a geographic European gateway. View attachment 518633

Good another I believer. You can have your feels as well. And if that’s the case, Europe is more than welcome to pick up the mantle and fix the problem.

 

[Doublestandards]

Good another I believer. You can have your feels as well. And if that’s the case, Europe is more than welcome to pick up the mantle and fix the problem.

I know it’s not the Israel forum but can you please explain to me why you believe their strategic importance is so much more important than ukraine?

We give them more money than anyone else, you’ve mentioned oil, but there’s really not that much of it

 

[Thebrownblob]

I know it’s not the Israel forum but can you please explain to me why you believe their strategic importance is so much more important than ukraine?

We give them more money than anyone else, you’ve mentioned oil, but there’s really not that much of it

I’ve already explained it to you. You have yet to explain to me why we should be involved in Ukraine.

What are objectives are?
What is the endpoint?
And how this benefits us?